Farage utterly destroyed on air

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

The Sun calling Farage racist (lol)

http://i.imgur.com/cZkgPoC.jpg

Tables are turning so it seems

Fear of Romanians moving in next door isn't racism. It's xenophobia. It's nice to see The Sun being as useful and knowledgeable as ever by mixing up words :P

that was tragic

so bad when he said "well u know the difference..." wat the actual ****??

Romanians are a lower quality type of human and will all murder you

Romanians are criminals in the same way that Muslims are terrorists.

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Originally Posted by The Don

AGAIN, this is all irrelevant to the actual discussion. You keep writing huge diatribes in the hope that I get caught up in a completely different discussion with you and forget about the original point of this conversation. Could you please stop changing the topic. This hasn’t been a debate about open borders or anything else, it’s all from a comment about Ukip being racist and you asking me to prove it.

But no it isn't. You are saying that by pointing out that the borders have opened to Romania and Bulgaria that it is somehow waycist - but that is a fact, and within the context of a discussion on mass immigration we should and we WILL talk about it whether you like it or not. Your side last time used the racist card and scaremongering card to suppress discussion on the borders opening to Poland yet you got it completely wrong. We don't get fooled again.

You lot simply do not want to talk about it. You'd rather we shut up about it.

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Originally Posted by The Don

You seem to have this idea that racism is solely about skin colour, which is simply not true and is an outdated idea. When Nigel Farage went to Scotland and was abused by the SNP, he referred to them as being racist to the English. This completely contradicts this idea that a white European can’t be racist against another white European. To answer your question, the example I used was racist towards Romanians. Here’s a source for the snp comment http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22566183

Exactly, racism to you now means "I disagree with what you are saying"

Meanwhile, i'll stick to the definition of judging another by their skin colour. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by The Don

I very much doubt it.

I'd like to see what polling the party that drove 'Go Home' posters around the streets scored.

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Originally Posted by The Don

I was referring to the immigrants that Ukip has been demonizing, not politicians.

I know you were. And I am telling you that the people we're really demonizing are the politicians.

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Originally Posted by The Don

No, it’s the Romanian immigrants that are targeted. “They’re after your jobs” literally pins the blame on them, not the system. Do not try and deny this.

Are you referring to this poster? http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...21986343-1.jpg

Because that poster doesn't even refer or mention Romania or Romanians.

You are seeing things again that you want to see.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Romanians, and other immigrants from the poorer EU countries.

Well why would we be talking about Germany, France, the Netherlands and Sweden in the context of mass unemployed within the EU considering those countries don't have the chronic unemployment or wage problems that Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Romania, Poland and Bulgaria have?

Think about it before you type this rubbish.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Are those 2 Million Brits not benefiting from open borders? I didn’t say anything else. Are they benefiting from open borders, yes or no?

Yes, but only because open borders are there in place of a system that I would have. Whether under open borders or controlled borders, Britons would be able to work and live within EU countries just as millions of Britons live and work in Australia, Canada, America, Vietnam, Hong Kong, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Shanghai and so on. Is that true or false?

The problem with open borders is that we don't have any control over who comes.

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Originally Posted by The Don

It’s still a valid comment and proves how bizarre your 37,000 member comment was.

If you want to use Nazi slurs against those who want to control our own borders then go ahead.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

That's lovely but has nothing to do with what I actually said. You'd do well in UKIP, you're good at changing the subject

ZzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

And nothing else has happened in that decade to change the way that people live and act at all, it's all to do with immigration. Hmmmm. Straw and Milliband say they were wrong about the numbers, not the impact

No no, nothing at all... except the fact that large numbers have come in that we have never seen on such a scale this large before. Nope.

And as for what they say, actually if you have any sort of comprehension of why numbers are an issue it is because if you allow such numbers to come in then they do not integrate and cause community tensions as cultural ghettos are formed. It's happened in one of the northern cities of one of those ministers (I forget which one) where there has been tension between Pakistani migrants and Polish migrants.

Very distinct groups living next to one another who don't integrate = trouble ahead.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

and Blunkett is very much talking about the Roma only - oops race rears its head again. You're also equating fear with actuality, and promoting majority view as though it were a magically perfect thesis

So Blunket and thus Labour are racists then?

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Nope that is not what I said, try responding to my post

Actually it is. You've said time and time again that integration doesn't actually matter and that if people want to speak in their own languages - and as many people want to come - then you have no problem with that. Wy not answer some questions....

Do numbers effect how easily migrants integrate into a country? yes/no
Does language have a huge place in a community and a nation in terms of culture? yes/no
Should immigrants who come to this country be expected to integrate with this country? yes/no
Should the British government have the ability to control the borders to Europe? yes/no

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Yeah we wouldn't want extremist views in our country would we... and ahhh yes you've previously posted about how a "certain group" called the Roma are going to come over in their droves and cause gang violence. But what's this you say about the Roma?? -

If the Roma are causing high crime rates then they should be pointed out too. Call them Roma, Romanian nationals or a race - I don't give a damn. We have a right to protect our borders from groups which have high crime rates because it's the people in this country who will suffer at your stupidity for letting absolutely everybody in.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

You don't seem to understand that a reply to a comment with large support still will not make it go higher; only the starter comments get rated in that way, so you are only looking at the starter comments if you look at the top bit. Never mind, obviously too much for you

Wrong, the favourited tab lists in order of popularity as does the DM and Telegraph.

But whatever, point being - majority who have watched judging by comments back Farage.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

From your own link:
http://fullfact.org/sites/fullfact.o...?itok=AqKTSatg
Absolutely minuscule change in the percentage of foreigners as prisoners in the UK, so while the numbers of foreign prisoners is up the number of British criminals has risen even higher. As for Romanians on their own, 0.5% of the prison population in those stats are Romanian, hardly cause to condemn the country and be fearful of all its inhabitants

When they're hugely an overepresentation of a smallish population in comparison to the population of the UK as a whole then we should worry yes. Indeed, those who live in areas where these groups congregate have a huge reason to worry - but not you in your middle class, beachside town.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

The Sun calling Farage racist (lol)

http://i.imgur.com/cZkgPoC.jpg

Tables are turning so it seems

What tables have turned?

Ukip and Farage have just been under attack from the biggest smear campaign ever conducted by the media in history - even Neil Kinnock as Labour leader didn't face this, he had least had the Daily Mirror and the Guardian on his side during the belting he took in the 1980s.

Worried Tory paper attacks Ukip..... shocker! :P

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

The Sun calling Farage racist (lol)

Just seen this in response to The Sun's Farage jibe, and this is genuine haha....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bn1XIMZCUAAXeh2.jpg

Such a transparent and hypocritical media campaign.

Can't be bothered to argue with your off topic discussion but you're a moron if you don't think starting a campaign against Romanians and Bulgarians, referring to an entire race as criminals, saying you wouldn't want to live next door to them because "you know why" and countless other things is racist.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Can't be bothered to argue with your off topic discussion but you're a moron if you don't think starting a campaign against Romanians and Bulgarians, referring to an entire race as criminals, saying you wouldn't want to live next door to them because "you know why" and countless other things is racist.

Among Romanians nationals and Bulgarian nationals there are much higher crime rates, as Farage said for example this is down to the fact that these two countries suffer poverty and all the ills that that brings. In terms of travellers or Roma, they have high rates too - I know a shop near mine where they set up camp on a field had to hire security yards as large groups of Roma would come in and attempt to rob the shop. Gypsies, both Irish and Roma, generally have no respect for the law hence why they illegally set up camp on private land and make the area a living hellhole for residents.

Sorry but it is true. And the truth will no longer be silenced.

And PS - Romanians and Bulgarians aren't a race of people no matter how much you'd like them to be.

I don't even .. whatever.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Among Romanians nationals and Bulgarian nationals there are much higher crime rates, as Farage said for example this is down to the fact that these two countries suffer poverty and all the ills that that brings. In terms of travellers or Roma, they have high rates too - I know a shop near mine where they set up camp on a field had to hire security yards as large groups of Roma would come in and attempt to rob the shop. Gypsies, both Irish and Roma, generally have no respect for the law hence why they illegally set up camp on private land and make the area a living hellhole for residents.

Sorry but it is true. And the truth will no longer be silenced.

And PS - Romanians and Bulgarians aren't a race of people.

Doesn't make it acceptable to target an entire group of people.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmahnTsIQAAJzQx.jpg:large

Have a go at Ukip or Fascist Dan lmao.

http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/