Scottish Independence

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

At this point it's basically a split between people who actually understand politics and people who think it's cool to hate the English

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yup totally, even the english people living in scotland who are voting yes
but no i can tell u that's not true, my fb is full of people putting across their point and nothing is about hating 'the english'
presuming youre suggesting yes voters = hate england vs no voters = know politics

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

That's exactly my point.

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I don't think it was? I thought you were just on about no pound = no debt not the fact he doesn't actually have a solid plan B.

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Originally Posted by buttons

yup totally, even the english people living in scotland who are voting yes
but no i can tell u that's not true, my fb is full of people putting across their point and nothing is about hating 'the english'
presuming youre suggesting yes voters = hate england vs no voters = know politics

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A lot of what the yes campaign come out with is basically anti English. Even how Salmond words things e.g. when talking about the pound, he says it's "not England's pound", completely ignoring the rest of the UK.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

I don't think it was? I thought you were just on about no pound = no debt not the fact he doesn't actually have a solid plan B.

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My point was that his idea of a get out of jail free card on the debt with their own currency (Which is his plan B) is completely ridiculous.

I thought English people living in Scotland couldn't vote? I thought it was based on your own nationality rather than where you live? (So Scots living in England can vote).

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I thought English people living in Scotland couldn't vote? I thought it was based on your own nationality rather than where you live? (So Scots living in England can vote).

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Those who can vote:
British citizens resident in Scotland.
Qualifying Commonwealth citizens resident in Scotland. This means Commonwealth citizens who either have leave to remain in the UK or do not require such leave, and are resident in Scotland.
Citizens of the Republic of Ireland and other EU countries resident in Scotland.
Members of the House of Lords resident in Scotland.
Service/Crown personnel serving in the UK or overseas in the Armed Forces or with Her Majesty’s Government who are registered to vote in Scotland.

ive seen polish shops with vote yes on them too

Wow, I'm totally wrong then. Seems somewhat strange that EU/Commonwealth citizens get a vote.

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Originally Posted by buttons

yup totally, even the english people living in scotland who are voting yes
but no i can tell u that's not true, my fb is full of people putting across their point and nothing is about hating 'the english'
presuming youre suggesting yes voters = hate england vs no voters = know politics

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What argument is there for independence other than 'freedom'? I also find it ironic because a large portion of the yes voters want to join the European Union which defeats the whole point of being independent.

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Originally Posted by The Don

What argument is there for independence other than 'freedom'? I also find it ironic because a large portion of the yes voters want to join the European Union which defeats the whole point of being independent.

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and what's wrong with freedom? freedom to choose who we want to rule us, freedom to make our own laws, freedom to make our country better? many of us don't want to be ruled by Westminster, don't want to be subjected to ukip rule who think of us as 'subsidy junkies', don't want to be placed into further poverty with the nhs being privatised etc...
& i can ask u the same, why don't england gives us a decent argument for staying together other than 'u need us!!! u can't live without our currency!!'

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Originally Posted by buttons

and what's wrong with freedom? freedom to choose who we want to rule us, freedom to make our own laws, freedom to make our country better? many of us don't want to be ruled by Westminster, don't want to be subjected to ukip rule who think of us as 'subsidy junkies', don't want to be placed into further poverty with the nhs being privatised etc...
& i can ask u the same, why don't england gives us a decent argument for staying together other than 'u need us!!! u can't live without our currency!!'

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Freedom doesn't fund hospitals, pay for free education, improve the economy or run a country. Ukip don't even have a council lol? I think you're confusing that with MEP's and Scotland elected a UKIP MEP (lol). The NHS in Scotland is ran by Scotland so if you want to point fingers at healthcare over there, then look closer to home. It's alright to downplay the currency argument but it's actually a valid point.

Is Salmond any better than Cameron?