John Lewis's new line of hijabs to wear at SCHOOL

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

But I thought company boycotts were the work of the devil, or is that only if it's people who don't look like you doing it?

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Gibberish.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Actually no it isn't, and congratulations on finally admitting that you want to force certain customs on people based on nothing but your idea of what a person ought to look and sound like. This is truly a fantastic quote

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It's perfectly rational to expect that those coming to settle in Britain will agree to and will make efforts to conform to the host culture and the values of the host culture. And British people via the British state has a duty and a right to demand that.

As I have said before, I believe integration can best be de facto enforced by simply limiting incoming numbers.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

The oldest example of a linen shirt is around 5,000 years old, and there is evidence that people wore trousers as much as 50,000 years ago although admittedly the first truly recorded manufacture of them is dated to the 6th Century. I take it you are staunchly against such hideously outdated modes of attire, or is the reality of the matter (as usual) the exact opposite of what you're stating whereby it's only those related to Islam in some way which are undesirable?

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You make the claim that the burka and hijab are desirable?

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Not the case, especially with a mere hijab. You'd do well to actually read about these things before frothing at the mouth over a garment that only covers the head - something which Christian women are also supposed to wear with regards to Biblical law, incidentally

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Western Christianity thankfully had an enlightenment which means that mainstream Christianity no longer pushes for the death penalty for homosexuality, it no longer treats women as mere cattle, it no longer burns people at the stake, it no longer treats women as the private property of men.

The same sadly can't be said for Islam in 2014.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

You don't suggest, you demand, and as usual you ignore the fact that customs (laws aren't applicable here since it's not illegal to wear a hat or scarf) change constantly. You not liking it does not make it any less of a fact no matter how angry a piece of fabric that hides one's hair makes you

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Customs to evolve and change over time, but that's a little different from third world customs being imported in in large numbers.

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Originally Posted by Sticky-Note

You are tossing around the idea of revoking other peoples freedom. Deny it all you want it is pretty clear what is happening here. I would agree with you IF they were trying to force THEIR customs on you, but they aren't. So just leave them alone lol. Again I repeat, not everyone born and raised in the UK follows the same culture so you're still creating the idea of a majority which you have nothing to back up on. Going to say this one more time: stop creating a stereotype for an entire country because it just isn't like that.

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My friend, they have no automatic 'freedom' that allows them to settle to the United Kingdom should they wish.

The power over who to allow in and what we would require as the conditions for being allowed in are with the British people via the British state.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Gibberish.

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Not at all, you literally just made a thread saying so

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It's perfectly rational to expect that those coming to settle in Britain will agree to and will make efforts to conform to the host culture and the values of the host culture. And British people via the British state has a duty and a right to demand that.

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Wearing a scarf on your head does nothing to attack anyone's culture, you're talking nonsense. And no, you do not have a right to demand that someone adheres to your every whim just because you have some false notion of what's proper British behaviour

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You make the claim that the burka and hijab are desirable?

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They're not for me, but please do try to actually respond to what I've written. It's not difficult; you look at the words and say things in response to them rather than derailing. You're stating that a particular garment is undesirable because it's C15, yet have no problem with items thousands of years older

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Western Christianity thankfully had an enlightenment which means that mainstream Christianity no longer pushes for the death penalty for homosexuality, it no longer treats women as mere cattle, it no longer burns people at the stake, it no longer treats women as the private property of men.

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Ahhhhhhhhhhh, you mean we drastically changed our culture

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The same sadly can't be said for Islam in 2014.

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You are confusing Islam with hardline governments. I for one don't know any Muslims who burn people at the stake

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Gibberish.



It's perfectly rational to expect that those coming to settle in Britain will agree to and will make efforts to conform to the host culture and the values of the host culture. And British people via the British state has a duty and a right to demand that.

As I have said before, I believe integration can best be de facto enforced by simply limiting incoming numbers.



You make the claim that the burka and hijab are desirable?



Western Christianity thankfully had an enlightenment which means that mainstream Christianity no longer pushes for the death penalty for homosexuality, it no longer treats women as mere cattle, it no longer burns people at the stake, it no longer treats women as the private property of men.

The same sadly can't be said for Islam in 2014.



Customs to evolve and change over time, but that's a little different from third world customs being imported in in large numbers.

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My friend, they have no automatic 'freedom' that allows them to settle to the United Kingdom should they wish.

The power over who to allow in and what we would require as the conditions for being allowed in are with the British people via the British state.

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They are in your country for a reason. They were allowed. Didn't say they have the freedom to move where they want, but clearly by law they live there too.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Wearing a scarf on your head does nothing to attack anyone's culture, you're talking nonsense. And no, you do not have a right to demand that someone adheres to your every whim just because you have some false notion of what's proper British behaviour

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Ahh, that tired argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxpDGo1Dtb8

First question, then later debunked.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

They're not for me, but please do try to actually respond to what I've written. It's not difficult; you look at the words and say things in response to them rather than derailing. You're stating that a particular garment is undesirable because it's C15, yet have no problem with items thousands of years older

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Maybe it has something to do with the fact women are forced into them by paranoid and posessive husbands?

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, you mean we drastically changed our culture

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Our own culture and over a period of hundreds of years, not via mass third world immigration.

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You are confusing Islam with hardline governments. I for one don't know any Muslims who burn people at the stake

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And there comes a point where the two may possibly be connected.... duh?

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Originally Posted by Sticky-Note

They are in your country for a reason. They were allowed. Didn't say they have the freedom to move where they want, but clearly by law they live there too.

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Oh no, you misunderstand me - obviously there's nothing that can be done in terms of limiting numbers for those who are already here, but steps certainly can be taken such as making sure all official forms are printed ONLY in English and so on.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Ahh, that tired argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxpDGo1Dtb8

First question, then later debunked.



Maybe it has something to do with the fact women are forced into them by paranoid and posessive husbands?



Our own culture and over a period of hundreds of years, not via mass third world immigration.



And there comes a point where the two may possibly be connected.... duh?



Oh no, you misunderstand me - obviously there's nothing that can be done in terms of limiting numbers for those who are already here, but steps certainly can be taken such as making sure all official forms are printed ONLY in English and so on.

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You are just regurgitating the same information over and over. Point is, you can't tell people what to wear, what to do, nothing. Unless you have a law that says so. You can't do ANYTHING. So might as well get over it now.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Ahh, that tired argument.

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The "tired argument" that you don't have the right to force people into doing what you want, yes. Dan once again showing his disdain for a free democratic society

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Maybe it has something to do with the fact women are forced into them by paranoid and posessive husbands?

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...Because it's only ok to force someone into something if it's you doing it. Astounding. In any case this behaviour occurs in absolute minuscule minorities of British Muslims and generally among those who are simply abusive people as anyone can be regardless of what book they read. You're really showing your ignorance (not that you ever really hide it) by making this claim; it's like saying joint bank accounts are the source of all evil because some people take unfair advantage of their partner's income

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Our own culture and over a period of hundreds of years, not via mass third world immigration.

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So when it's a change you like it's our own culture moving on, and if it's one you don't like it's a third world influence... righto. Shocking as it may be, western values haven't sprung from some magic pot of Britishness

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And there comes a point where the two may possibly be connected.... duh?

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Yes in the same way that the acts of Putin totally reflect the values of all bald white men

Bolstering of the West's image of freedom and acceptance simultaneously criticizing the barbaric culture of non-western countries is the biggest irony of all time. bleh you tried hard for someone as socially stunted as yourself. Enough of the "third world customs" talks to make your lopsided case, and really what's the issue here? A headscarf? That's oppressive to you now...?

Just a reminder that most, if not all women wear the headscarf by their own choice.(See how I say headscarf because Hijab =/= Burqa =/= Shayla) Nor does the entire Muslim world follow this tradition (Banned in Turkey for example). Tired and exhausted by liberals and their saviour complex (in most case which is just a tool to showcase how backward those people are who don't pertain to western culture). Muslim women are experts of the oppression they themselves face, stop talking about them or FOR them. Criticism of Islam will come from people who follow Islam, just like criticism of """Western Christianity""" comes from followers or ex-followers of the same religion. Also, another fact is that the "third world" immigrants come from countries ravaged by western imperialism and colonization. High immigration and the so-called problem with multiculturalism is just the West reaping what it sowed.

Also, your theory of integration into a culture is just vague. Immigrants, mostly from the non-western world will never be properly assimilated into the fabric of a culture which was geared up against them from the start.

If they want to be treated like private property of their husbands because that is their religion, then let them.
If they want to cover themselves head to toe, that's their choice and no one elses.

What gets me is that they can go into shops and such with only their eyes showing and noone will say a word to avoid stepping on politically correct toes. However, go in to a shop wearing a helmet, hoodie, etc. and you'll be sent straight out or told to take it off for security and identification purposes.

LOGIC?

Can u c+p ur letter to John Lewis for us to read pls

Also if u could edit it and post it without restraining urself and as u wanted to write it that would be kl

England doesn't belong to you, there are over 50 million people who live here and it's undoubtedly become a multicultural nation so saying that you insist on having your customs followed by everybody is ridiculous. Nobody is forcing you to wear a hijab and eat halal meat, the option is merely there for those who want to. I commend John Lewis for not conforming to the anti-Islam hatred which has arisen in our country and I hope they're not the last big name company to show that they respect the beliefs of others.

Haha peace out x