Illegal Immigrant Crisis: Hungarian Prime Minister says Europe in grip of madness

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Originally Posted by peteyt

But 99 percent of the people don't even agree with it. I didn't even vote and I'm sure most parties even agreed to lower the number not the opposite that is now happening.

But that's not my point really. Firstly what we have is as I said people thinking with just their heart - people demanding the government deals with a problem then complaining that they shouldn't have got involved and have made it worse.

What we also don't have is a real solution. Immigration isn't really going to fix the issue long term. As to your quote on its own without evidence it's just numbers anyone could have came up with. Immigration is obviously a problem worldwide but it's the countries to blame not the people.

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The numbers are actual numbers, not a number someone dreamt up. However your quote is a number you dreamt up "But 99 percent of the people don't even agree with it."
I would quite like to see the stats on this 99%...

We screwed up these peoples countries, now we must take responsibility. We robbed the world, got rich. Gave it all away to lazy people and now we borrow almost £500m a day from China and we call our self rich... laughable.

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Originally Posted by Thordenhime

First of all i knew from the loaded title ''illegal immigrant'' this was going to be a topic made by someone hateful.

Second of all They aren't immigrants they are refugees the only way these refugees can actually seek asylum into EU countries is through these boats because EU immigrant regulations indicate that they cant seek asylum through embassies in middle eastern countries so in order to claim asylum in the first place they have to get into the EU Illegally.

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I am sorry but there is nothing hateful about describing people correctly: they ceased to be refugees when they left safe countries such as Turkey and Tunisia. But as you are so compassionate, tell me this: how are the helping the situtation in terms of deaths when it is your own kindness (aka let them all in) which is attracting more and more of them to cross the sea to get here and hence we have more drownings?

Did you not see the Australian solution to this problem where the deaths have now completely stopped and the Australian people are also happy?

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Originally Posted by snr

We as in the country. How is that not obvious? Yes you didn't do anything but the country elected a government who then makes decisions on behalf of the country whether we agree with them or not. And thus we as a country must deal with the consequences.

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No we must not deal with the consequences. The election to government of a political party does not give that government a blank cheque to do anything it likes just because it was elected. We're a constitutional monarchy not a democracy, and in addition to that the government ought to carry out what it pledged when it was campaigning for office: and this government made very strong pledges on reducing the numbers coming into this country which it has utterly failed to do.

My conscience is clearer than most as I voted Ukip but the government should still listen: rather than change policy based on one petition.

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Originally Posted by snr

Anyone who is moaning about all these immigrants or refugees entering our country, read the below quote. And secondly if we stop bombing these countries while pretending to help them, these situation would never arise. But hey, we like to stick our nose in every country and pretend to help. Its crap.

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Syria has not been bombed as far as I know as thankfully, the House of Commons voted it down over two years ago which I am very thankful for: the best decision made in a long time yet even back then I had do-gooders on this forum telling me we should go in to "help" just like now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzegRfKImUw

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Originally Posted by snr

And lastly, if a foreigner can come to this country and not speak good English but get a job over a British born person, it says a lot about the person who didn't get the job. We are in a world where number of jobs will go down as technology replaces them. The world is a survival of the fittest. People in this country should get jobs easily - after all Education is free. But na, so many people waste it and then blame foreigners because blaming others is always easy because gosh how can that person ever be wrong eh? Man I hate all these foreigners coming and taking our jobs, but its cool if we go bomb others, stick our nose in other peoples culture, rob other count

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This argument is always recycled when it comes to immigration and it is total nonsense. Let's just take European immigration from the poorer Eastern countries as an example. Now you state that British people losing their jobs and being undercut by mass immigration is just how the world works (no it doesn't as most other countries actually put their own people first but whatever) yet what you fail to understand is that of course immigrants can do that because when you are a Briton working in say industry, with a house and family to pay for: it's a lot harder to survive on low wages than it is for a single, young and fit Polish man who sleeps in a rented bedsit on the floor with ten other men.

It is also disingenuous of you to say this is about hatred of foreigners when time and time again polls show the British people overwhelmingly want immigration brought down: we don't want the lowest paid to be constantly undercut so large corporations can have cheap labour without raising wages, we don't want our towns and cities to change drastically where it no longer even feels like our own country and we do not want a free for all where anybody can literally walk into this country. That is not hatred that is a sensible set of concerns which ought to be addressed.

We want an immigration system like the rest of the world - Japan, Australia, New Zealand - have. That's common sense not hatred.

Concerns over immigration are at their highest level since 2010 – http://t.co/AHSOp92969 pic.twitter.com/dLdXpWBW5P

— YouGov (@YouGov) September 6, 2015

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Originally Posted by snr

The figures speak for themselves:

1,300,000 Britons live in Australia; 761,000 in Spain; 678,000 in the USA; 603,000 in Canada; 291,000 in Ireland (11,200 of whom are drawing unemployment benefit from the Irish state), and even 8,500 in Mexico and 7,100 in Kuwait! We're literally EVERYWHERE! I bet there's at least one branch of Greggs in the Falklands.

We need to close our borders immediately before the situation gets even worse for everyone else. We are sleepwalking into a nightmare where a third of the world will be overrun by the British! AGAIN!

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Yes because highly educated and wealthy Britons are totes comparable to Eastern Europeans, Africans, Asians and Arabs.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I am sorry but there is nothing hateful about describing people correctly: they ceased to be refugees when they left safe countries such as Turkey and Tunisia. But as you are so compassionate, tell me this: how are the helping the situtation in terms of deaths when it is your own kindness (aka let them all in) which is attracting more and more of them to cross the sea to get here and hence we have more drownings?

Did you not see the Australian solution to this problem where the deaths have now completely stopped and the Australian people are also happy?



No we must not deal with the consequences. The election to government of a political party does not give that government a blank cheque to do anything it likes just because it was elected. We're a constitutional monarchy not a democracy, and in addition to that the government ought to carry out what it pledged when it was campaigning for office: and this government made very strong pledges on reducing the numbers coming into this country which it has utterly failed to do.

My conscience is clearer than most as I voted Ukip but the government should still listen: rather than change policy based on one petition.



Syria has not been bombed as far as I know as thankfully, the House of Commons voted it down over two years ago which I am very thankful for: the best decision made in a long time yet even back then I had do-gooders on this forum telling me we should go in to "help" just like now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzegRfKImUw

This argument is always recycled when it comes to immigration and it is total nonsense. Let's just take European immigration from the poorer Eastern countries as an example. Now you state that British people losing their jobs and being undercut by mass immigration is just how the world works (no it doesn't as most other countries actually put their own people first but whatever) yet what you fail to understand is that of course immigrants can do that because when you are a Briton working in say industry, with a house and family to pay for: it's a lot harder to survive on low wages than it is for a single, young and fit Polish man who sleeps in a rented bedsit on the floor with ten other men.

It is also disingenuous of you to say this is about hatred of foreigners when time and time again polls show the British people overwhelmingly want immigration brought down: we don't want the lowest paid to be constantly undercut so large corporations can have cheap labour without raising wages, we don't want our towns and cities to change drastically where it no longer even feels like our own country and we do not want a free for all where anybody can literally walk into this country. That is not hatred that is a sensible set of concerns which ought to be addressed.

We want an immigration system like the rest of the world - Japan, Australia, New Zealand - have. That's common sense not hatred.

Concerns over immigration are at their highest level since 2010 – http://t.co/AHSOp92969 pic.twitter.com/dLdXpWBW5P

— YouGov (@YouGov) September 6, 2015

Yes because highly educated and wealthy Britons are totes comparable to Eastern Europeans, Africans, Asians and Arabs.

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I am going to reply very quickly. But we must deal with the consequences BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT MADE A DECISION ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTRY. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHETHER OR NOT WE VOTED FOR THEM. RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T VOTE PREVIOUS LABOUR, COALITION OR TORY, SO WHY ON EARTH SHOULD YOU BENEFIT FROM ANY OF THEIR POSITIVE ACTION? HELL YOU SHOULDN'T. Its absolutely ridiculous.

And there is no stat to show the British people who moved abroad are "educated and wealthy". It is an assumption you are making. You assume some of these Arabs, Asians, Europeans are not educated. How do you know? They are escaping terror in their country caused indirectly by us. It does not mean they are not educated. I bet you anything they are probably more educated than us. If you look at how education in these countries work you would be shocked. Getting 98% in an exam is not good enough because of competition.

And well welcome to 2015. People need to realise this is a global world and competition for jobs will only grow. Use the free education while it lasts and make the most of it. You go on about how a Polish guy can come here and live on low wages cos he is only feed himself. Well, why can't a Briton go abroad and do the same? Oh wait, there is some status crap.

Due to technology, these labour jobs you talk about won't even exist in the future. There is a reason why UK is no longer a manufacturing country. There is a reason why USA still produces a lot. When people realise the facts and accept it, it will be better for the UK.

Good Night.

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Originally Posted by snr

The numbers are actual numbers, not a number someone dreamt up. However your quote is a number you dreamt up "But 99 percent of the people don't even agree with it."
I would quite like to see the stats on this 99%...

We screwed up these peoples countries, now we must take responsibility. We robbed the world, got rich. Gave it all away to lazy people and now we borrow almost £500m a day from China and we call our self rich... laughable.

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Don't you think it's hypocritical to callously dismiss the concerns of the British population over competition for jobs as "Survival of the Fittest"

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And lastly, if a foreigner can come to this country and not speak good English but get a job over a British born person, it says a lot about the person who didn't get the job. We are in a world where number of jobs will go down as technology replaces them. The world is a survival of the fittest. People in this country should get jobs easily - after all Education is free.

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and then argue we must let these migrants in because we 'owe it to them'? Couldn't someone use your own line of reasoning and brush off any obligations you think we owe these migrants due to our governments past actions as 'survival of the fittest'.

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Originally Posted by snr

I am going to reply very quickly. But we must deal with the consequences BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT MADE A DECISION ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTRY. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHETHER OR NOT WE VOTED FOR THEM. RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T VOTE PREVIOUS LABOUR, COALITION OR TORY, SO WHY ON EARTH SHOULD YOU BENEFIT FROM ANY OF THEIR POSITIVE ACTION? HELL YOU SHOULDN'T. Its absolutely ridiculous.

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You've just ignored everything I said about the specific promises this government made in order to be elected.

There's a solution to this though, and one I would back. I'd agree to take the illegal immigrants if a voluntary scheme were set up where people who want them to come here can become 'patrons' of them: meaning they'd provide housing, welfare and pay all the bills as well as integration services for these people with no state assistance at all. If you'd back such a scheme, and become a patron yourself then good for you.

It is time do-gooders were made to step up to the plate rather than lecturing the majority of the country. Would you back my scheme?

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Originally Posted by snr

And there is no stat to show the British people who moved abroad are "educated and wealthy". It is an assumption you are making. You assume some of these Arabs, Asians, Europeans are not educated. How do you know? They are escaping terror in their country caused indirectly by us. It does not mean they are not educated. I bet you anything they are probably more educated than us. If you look at how education in these countries work you would be shocked. Getting 98% in an exam is not good enough because of competition.

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So education and wage levels in Arabia, Africa and Eastern Europe are comparable to the United Kingdom? Purr-lease.

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Originally Posted by snr

And well welcome to 2015. People need to realise this is a global world and competition for jobs will only grow. Use the free education while it lasts and make the most of it. You go on about how a Polish guy can come here and live on low wages cos he is only feed himself. Well, why can't a Briton go abroad and do the same? Oh wait, there is some status crap.

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So you advocate to the British people that instead of controlling immigration which would in time force employers to pay more to their workers in order to pay for their families and housing, that instead they should stay single, not have a family and sleep on the floor for the same low wage job?

I guess that's one corporate "global" view of the world. The other is to control the borders like Japan, Canada and Australia.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

There's a solution to this though, and one I would back. I'd agree to take the illegal immigrants if a voluntary scheme were set up where people who want them to come here can become 'patrons' of them: meaning they'd provide housing, welfare and pay all the bills as well as integration services for these people with no state assistance at all. If you'd back such a scheme, and become a patron yourself then good for you.

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There's a huge amount of support for this and it's a good idea I think, my mum's applied somewhere to take people in if it becomes a valid option but it's still currently down to whether the government will allow such a scheme to go ahead. Can see a lot of problems with the administration of it all tbh but it's definitely a good idea in my eyes

Just an update ~

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States is making plans to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees in the coming budget year, a significant increase from the 1,500 migrants that have been cleared to resettle in the U.S. since civil war broke out in the Middle Eastern country more than four years ago, the White House said Thursday.

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Full article here: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c8956...yrian-refugees

Wow talk about a token effort

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So education and wage levels in Arabia, Africa and Eastern Europe are comparable to the United Kingdom? Purr-lease.

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I like how you removed Asia from your original claim, as you realised you would be wrong.

The percentage of immigrants with further/higher education far far far outweighs the percentage of native Britons with any qualifications, just throwing that out there. Obviously not going to be the case in a refugee crisis as just about EVERYONE is trying to flee rather than people coming over as postgrads to find work, but in general it's certainly true. SAW IT ON HAVE I GOT NEWS FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!