At least 15 dead in US college shooting

Plenty of people say "Guns don't kill people, people do" and I can completely understand that, it is a true statement.

But that doesn't change the fact that guns make it a hell of a lot easier to mass murder than the use of an alternative weapon, such as a knife.

The USA, in my own opinion, certainly do need better regulations and laws when it comes to guns. That's not too specific, I know, but I don't know much about this topic. From my mere knowledge of it all, that's what I think.

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Um... no? If somebody is breaking into your house you could end up murdered, kidnapped or be raped. We see countless stories in this country of old women or old people in general targeted because they live alone and they're savagely beaten to an inch of their lives because they're defenceless.

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What, no we don't

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No they don't.

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Stop being wrong all the time

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But but but if guns are legal doesn't that mean everyone dies. Oh wait no because Switzerland doesn't have these problems with lax gun laws.

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I'm not sure why you're saying this in response to me saying that laws need to be different according to the problems of different places. You are literally inventing arguments to replace what's actually been said and then trying to claim some sort of victory by doing so

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Not at all. I have already given the example of Switzerland which has very lax gun laws but does not have this problem.

The Second Amendment was put into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers as a final defence against tyanny arising in America. It was put in there so that the state could never become too out of control or else the people can rise up and overthrow it: hence why the act most dictators first introduce when they take over is to demand the seizure of all guns in order to prevent any threat to their power. The Second Amendment is staying and cannot be removed in that constitutional republic, so you and other anti-gun campaigners - including the hypocrite-in-chief Obama - are just going to have to get over that.

It's interesting too how skewed you are on this, mainly due to British media refusing to ever cover the stories: all the time in America and every day people's lives and safety are saved by guns. There's tonnes of stories out there of old ladies on their own or young families successfully defending themselves with guns.

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But America does have this problem. And unlike almost every Western civilised country on earth which doesn't have this problem, America has very lax gun laws. The second amendment was also made before the USA had the world's most powerful army, meaning that any dictator could destroy the entire population whether they have guns or not.

Skewed? Don't blame the British media for reporting about mass shootings, blame the American's for allowing them to happen. Oh, and as you are well aware, I spent a lot of time overseas. And it is reported just as much as it is in Britain.

Dan's state over mexico's drugs cartels is right. They are extremely violent, have a gun in your home allow you to take them down in a possible attack.

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Dan's state over mexico's drugs cartels is right. They are extremely violent, have a gun in your home allow you to take them down in a possible attack.

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Yes, because Mexican Drug Cartels are extremely likely to raid the home of a random American citizen.

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Yes, because Mexican Drug Cartels are extremely likely to raid the home of a random American citizen.

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If you live in a violent and poor neighborhood, the same places where gangs and cartels are, anything can happen anytime, from fights between gangs to rape and robbery.

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If you live in a violent and poor neighborhood, the same places where gangs and cartels are, anything can happen anytime, from fights between gangs to rape and robbery.

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Well, then, at least we know that only 1,000,000 out of 319,000,000 American's require a gun. Lovely.

Jeannie sits up in her attic, curled around the butt of a loaded rifle, sweat streaming around the backs of her ears and into the nape of her muffler jacket. Who would have known that her pretty little town house at Sauk Rapids in Minnesota would be the next spot on the bloody trail of Juan Nava Valencia's war plan? If only Al Gore had given everyone more guns, all of this could have been over. Sipping her Sunny D through the same straw she used to snort six marijuanas just a few minutes ago, Jeannie reflects upon her life choices and wishes (not for the first time) that good old Ike Eisenhower had nuked the Commies when he had the chance. "God bless America", she whispers, as an eagle tears through the roof and exposes her to the Muslim satellite rays.

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Well, then, at least we know that only 1,000,000 out of 319,000,000 American's require a gun. Lovely.

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The point of the ones that agree with guns is we must have the right to protect our life. Why do you think you can just take off that right? As I said, anything can happen anytime, the gun is your insurance and the reason to anyone trying to steal your house to think twice. If the stealer has a gun and you got nothing you don't even have a chance.

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The point of the ones that agree with guns is we must have the right to protect our life. Why do you think you can just take off that right? As I said, anything can happen anytime, the gun is your insurance and the reason to anyone trying to steal your house to think twice. If the stealer has a gun and you got nothing you don't even have a chance.

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When are you going to face reality? As Obama says, in 10 years 74 people have died due to terrorism in your country. Gun violence in America has killed 8,300 in one year.

Guns are not protecting you, they are destroying America. The world has changed since the second amendment. It's time America changed with it.