EU ABOLISHES ROAMING CHARGES

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Originally Posted by David

that was me actually, cause he called u out on ur shit and i found it funny

he literally said he didn't read your post and stated why ya nugget

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How can he call me out on anything when the rebuttal and reasons I posted all had sources and he didn't knock back a single one?

How is posting something, then being completely proved wrong and then ignoring you've been proved wrong and claiming victory calling me out on shit?

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Originally Posted by David

that was me actually, cause he called u out on ur shit and i found it funny

he literally said he didn't read your post and stated why ya nugget

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Dan doesn't read posts before replying, can't be proved wrong if you don't read it right?

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Originally Posted by scottish

Dan doesn't read posts before replying, can't be proved wrong if you don't read it right?

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Did you read how this decision was taken globally at an OECD and WTO level?

yes/no

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Are you like really that dense? Have you not read one word of what I have posted regarding the process of abolishing data roaming charges?

Did you not read how it has been a general global initiative taken by the OECD and at the WTO?



Do you not understand why the UK might have stalled legislation and waited for EU legislation?

Because had the British government legislated in say 2013 to abolish these roaming charges and introduced the legislation it would then have implemented these changes and then only a couple of years later had to tear them up because EU law is currently supreme to any British law therefore making a legislative mess of it all. Why would one introduce and go about introducing regulations of their own when they know the supranational body is drawing up those laws anyway? It'd be like introducing a carbon targets scheme when you know there's one being drawn up by the EU which will (in law) override your own. Utterly pointless.

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So it is a general global initiative but the UK didn't bother to implement it? The UK didn't care they could have introduced a legislation which could have saved the British public £350m a year? Well thank God the EU stepped in then isn't it?

And in reply to you saying the UK didn't bother making it law because the EU was going to - well thank you EU for saving our government time and money. The EU sat down, discussed and wrote a new legislation which saved the UK government time and money and now the EU legislation will save the British public money. Win win all thanks to the EU :)

Yes Three and LycaMobile have scrapped it. I use Three and like the fact that in many countries I can now use my UK allowance at no extra cost. However most other UK networks have not done this. BTW - those two networks have done it to gain a competitive advantage and also because they are based in those countries also allowing them to make roaming free.

I hope I have answered all your questions and comments on this simple topic.

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Originally Posted by abc

So it is a general global initiative but the UK didn't bother to implement it? The UK didn't care they could have introduced a legislation which could have saved the British public £350m a year? Well thank God the EU stepped in then isn't it?

And in reply to you saying the UK didn't bother making it law because the EU was going to - well thank you EU for saving our government time and money. The EU sat down, discussed and wrote a new legislation which saved the UK government time and money and now the EU legislation will save the British public money. Win win all thanks to the EU :)

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Well, assuming what parts of Undertaker has said is true, the UK "didn't bother" because it couldn't as it is represented by the EU in this regard. The EU didn't "step in" like some generous aunt, it's basically fulfilling it's purpose. Having said that, how much I trust a Conservative government to work on such a policy isn't very high. But yeah, the EU totally saved our government time and money, after being paid billions in membership fees...

I'm not particularly pro or anti-EU, but those were awful points to make.

Also at the point of the two networks scrapping roaming fees, that probably won't sound like a bad thing for him as he's very much pro-free market as competition will bring the best deals and government intervention, to him, is a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Well, assuming what parts of Undertaker has said is true, the UK "didn't bother" because it couldn't as it is represented by the EU in this regard. The EU didn't "step in" like some generous aunt, it's basically fulfilling it's purpose. Having said that, how much I trust a Conservative government to work on such a policy isn't very high. But yeah, the EU totally saved our government time and money, after being paid billions in membership fees...

I'm not particularly pro or anti-EU, but those were awful points to make.

Also at the point of the two networks scrapping roaming fees, that probably won't sound like a bad thing for him as he's very much pro-free market as competition will bring the best deals and government intervention, to him, is a bad thing.

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The UK could have made it law on its own if it wanted to. It did not have to wait for the EU.

And regarding our membership fees, for ever £1 we put in, we get almost £10 back through increased trade, investment, jobs, lower prices etc etc etc

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Originally Posted by abc

The UK could have made it law on its own if it wanted to. It did not have to wait for the EU.

And regarding our membership fees, for ever £1 we put in, we get almost £10 back through increased trade, investment, jobs, lower prices etc etc etc

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Could it, or could there be difficulties which is why it needed global cooperation on the issue? I don't know, and neither do you really.

Yeah sure I see those kinds of figures all the time but never an actual source to them. So tell me, when you say £1 we put in, is this before the rebate? Before any money is put back directly in the UK via EU grants? What is the criteria exactly as I'm genuinely curious.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Could it, or could there be difficulties which is why it needed global cooperation on the issue? I don't know, and neither do you really.

Yeah sure I see those kinds of figures all the time but never an actual source to them. So tell me, when you say £1 we put in, is this before the rebate? Before any money is put back directly in the UK via EU grants? What is the criteria exactly as I'm genuinely curious.

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The figure is based on the jobs created due to our membership in the EU and the low costs we have access to, the trade the hundreds of thousands of UK businesses do with the EU etc. Source? Confederation of British Industry and the Treasury.

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Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

Well, he has a point, we don't know for SURE what would happen if we did leave the EU although it doesn't seem to make a lot of business sense to go against it. The only way to actually guarantee roaming charges stay low (if that's anyone's main concern about the EU debate.......) is to stay in the EU so I see that point, but it is scaremongering of the most pathetic and petty level.

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How exactly does it not make business sense to go against it? No business is going to leave the UK based on a few roaming charges, and no mobile phone company is going to lose money as a result of having roaming charges.. seems like flawed logic, to me.

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Originally Posted by AgnesIO

How exactly does it not make business sense to go against it? No business is going to leave the UK based on a few roaming charges, and no mobile phone company is going to lose money as a result of having roaming charges.. seems like flawed logic, to me.

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well because if we're the only developed country in the world to have a large cap on roaming charges it would put people off visiting and damage the tourism industry, no?