Tier 4 as the government cancels Christmas for millions

People aren't visiting A&E or taking up hospital beds as much as last year BECAUSE of the pandemic. People are too scared to go to A&E in case they catch COVID, they don't want to go and use up resources, beds aren't being used like they usually would after routine surgeries etc because these aren't taking place as much as before, beds aren't being blocked by homeless patients because local authorities are rehousing them quicker etc. There's many many reasons today's statistics for bed usage can't be used in comparison to last years.

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Originally Posted by buttons

People aren't visiting A&E or taking up hospital beds as much as last year BECAUSE of the pandemic. People are too scared to go to A&E in case they catch COVID, they don't want to go and use up resources, beds aren't being used like they usually would after routine surgeries etc because these aren't taking place as much as before, beds aren't being blocked by homeless patients because local authorities are rehousing them quicker etc. There's many many reasons today's statistics for bed usage can't be used in comparison to last years.

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Indeed, so my point is why is the country being turned into an open prison when the NHS isn't even anywhere at capacity? The virus is so deadly and dangerous that most people aren't even aware they have it, and the hospital wards are running at under capacity for a normal December. This is all sheer insanity.

Once you start looking at the statistics out there on this, the overreaction and resulting damage to this virus is astounding.

UPDATE: total number of UK covid deaths below age of 60 without pre-existing condition: 367 (1,911 overall)

— Spencer Morgan (@spencermorgan93) December 22, 2020

In a country of 70 million people.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It's NHS data being reported by the BBC, not "slander from a Twitter user".

The beds are not at max capacity, that is an outrageous falsehood for you to spread that is not backed by any statistics. They aren't even at normal capacity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54712003

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And my information comes directly from various nurses who are currently working overtime to support the incredibly strained NHS. Just this afternoon my girlfriend, who works as a paediatric nurse in London, sent me a screenshot of a text from a work group chat asking for anyone with any relevant training to be redeployed for a period of time into adult ICU wards as they are so overwhelmed.

Over in Cardiff a very close friend of mine actually works in the ICU and has spent a large amount of the past year re-training medical grads and junior nurses to be able to work with them.

Excuse me for taking the word of these people over a BBC article designed to grab readers, or a twitter user looking for retweets.

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And my information comes directly from various nurses who are currently working overtime to support the incredibly strained NHS. Just this afternoon my girlfriend, who works as a paediatric nurse in London, sent me a screenshot of a text from a work group chat asking for anyone with any relevant training to be redeployed for a period of time into adult ICU wards as they are so overwhelmed.

Over in Cardiff a very close friend of mine actually works in the ICU and has spent a large amount of the past year re-training medical grads and junior nurses to be able to work with them.

Excuse me for taking the word of these people over a BBC article designed to grab readers, or a twitter user looking for retweets.

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And I have heard the complete opposite, that hospital wards are standing empty.

Therefore, in terms of policy we have to go by the NHS statistics which show that hospitals are under capacity.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No, I haven't been listening to the tripe pumped out by the BBC or Sky News.

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you just used the bbc as evidence for hospitals not being overwhelmed you cant just pick and choose lol

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

you just used the bbc as evidence for hospitals not being overwhelmed you cant just pick and choose lol

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I mean the commentary and scary voices they put on, you know like Kay and Beth on Sky who were then caught hugging and kissing.

Remove the propaganda layer, and look at the statistics and numbers - and what is scary is the overreaction, not the virus itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvRxd1_eT24

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I mean the commentary and scary voices they put on, you know like Kay and Beth on Sky who were then caught hugging and kissing.

Remove the propaganda layer, and look at the statistics and numbers - and what is scary is the overreaction, not the virus itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvRxd1_eT24

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you cant just use half of a news report to say youre being lied to and then ignore the rest of it. the actions of sky news reporters has bugger all to do with anything i am saying

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

you cant just use half of a news report to say youre being lied to and then ignore the rest of it. the actions of sky news reporters has bugger all to do with anything i am saying

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You've all been free this entire time to engage with me on the figures and consequences of lockdown vs consequences of no lockdown, but all I get in response is an emotional diatribe about protecting hospitals, stopping the virus and saving lives. If someone wants to explain to me, backed by figures, as to why the country is being treated as though it were an open prison and additional cancer/heart/other deaths are worth it, I look forward to hearing such an argument.

I would remind people of some of these scientists records.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep7Cpa3U...jpg&name=large

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You've all been free this entire time to engage with me on the figures and consequences of lockdown vs consequences of no lockdown, but all I get in response is an emotional diatribe about protecting hospitals, stopping the virus and saving lives. If someone wants to explain to me, backed by figures, as to why the country is being treated as though it were an open prison and additional cancer/heart/other deaths are worth it, I look forward to hearing such an argument.

I would remind people of some of these scientists records.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep7Cpa3U...jpg&name=large

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are you not able to read what im saying? what about my responses has been emotional? i simply asked if you read the rest of a BBC report that you quoted in a tweet to prove hospitals werent overwhelmed then you said no because you dont trust the bbc, so why would you trust that tweet to begin with?

ferguson hasnt been part of the gov corona team since may and a quick google reveals how much bollocks that image is take some initiative seriously https://theferret.scot/fact-check-ne...9-predictions/

Again you're not talking about the actual numbers, but the BBC.

I'm not interested in whether I linked to the BBC. I'm interested in the NHS numbers the BBC quoted.

Address the fact that hospitals are under capacity for this year and how this justifies a lockdown, or don't bother replying.