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28-07-2012, 03:27 PM
Shorty

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

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Originally Posted by Abdicators

Looking through the code in the client, and at all the images (not just the ones Shorty thinks are interesting!) i'm a bit confused as to how this is actually going to work.

At first I though the 'Guardian' role would give select Habbos the powers to kick, mute and room ban users in a fashion similar to that of Hobbas. In the sense that they would respond to a call, and chose an appropriate action based on the situation. After that, I thought the action that you had performed was going to be forwarded to other Guardians for review; to help ensure you was not abusing your position. At least, this is the idea I got from some of Sulakes developers.

After looking at the code and images though, it looks like to me as though an action is based on how 'bad' the bully is being ('Ok', 'Bad' or 'Very Bad'). The decision to how the bully is being seems to be collected from an average of several different Guardian votes, I then assume the server will take an automatic action based on that vote result.

Yeah, that's what I thought the system was going to be like.

However;

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Originally Posted by ubergergely

The Habbo Guardian feature will not offer any kind of room controls; such as kick, ban, etc and will basically be a call-for-help picked up automatically in a certain topic and will be sent round to various on-duty helpers and they will have the option to vote it as a bad report (action needs taking) or no-use report (report isn't worth taking action too). Also, everyone will be able to use this feature but we are working on, if abused - how we will be taking it from the abusing users.

Source: Otus
28-07-2012, 04:31 PM
Okeanos

So basically all guides are doing is answering questions via IM, giving tours to newbies and maybe referring people to mods? That is too tedious for me, I won't be doing that!
28-07-2012, 04:34 PM
Abdicators

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okeanos

So basically all guides are doing is answering questions via IM, giving tours to newbies and maybe referring people to mods? That is too tedious for me, I won't be doing that!

Seems like it.
28-07-2012, 04:35 PM
atpeak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okeanos

So basically all guides are doing is answering questions via IM, giving tours to newbies and maybe referring people to mods? That is too tedious for me, I won't be doing that!

I think there should be a trusted team of around 80-100 Habbos to supervise the habbo helpers with at least some remedial tools
28-07-2012, 04:45 PM
Shorty

I reported Jarkie not expecting it to work, luckily there's no active Guardians to review the request. As you can see from the alert below, the system is clearly not ready.

http://i.imgur.com/wJrdo.png

Edit://

Alpha badge which was found awhile ago..

http://images.habbo.com/c_images/album1584/HHAT.gif

Translation: "The guardians are the Habbo Alphas but top-level"
Original: Los guardianes son los Habbo Alphas pero de nivel superior

Source:
https://twitter.com/Habbo_Diana/stat...62169443254272
28-07-2012, 04:54 PM
atpeak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty

I reported Jarkie not expecting it to work, luckily there's no active Guardians to review the request. As you can see from the alert below, the system is clearly not ready.

http://i.imgur.com/wJrdo.png

Hey dude, you are getting these clientside images from a Retro server. So you couldn't possibly report Jarkie, LoL.
28-07-2012, 05:02 PM
Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by atpeak

Hey dude, you are getting these clientside images from a Retro server. So you couldn't possibly report Jarkie, LoL.

Retro's are illegal, none of my images are from Private Servers. They all originate from official Habbo.

http://i.imgur.com/6wdao.png

See? :)
28-07-2012, 05:06 PM
GoldenMerc

I may be mistaken but arn't you just using the codes that get released *like the new guardian system* then putting them into sort of a clientside make of it?
Ross
28-07-2012, 05:07 PM
Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

I may be mistaken but arn't you just using the codes that get released *like the new guardian system* then putting them into sort of a clientside make of it?
Ross

Guardian System, yes. Help Tool/Bully Tool, no it's fully functional.
28-07-2012, 05:09 PM
GoldenMerc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty

Guardian System, yes. Help Tool/Bully Tool, no it's fully functional.

So is what your doing against the T&C of Habbo? or is it totally fine? If its fine, surely you could release a little abit about how / what your doing to get this.
28-07-2012, 05:14 PM
Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

So is what your doing against the T&C of Habbo? or is it totally fine? If its fine, surely you could release a little abit about how / what your doing to get this.

Because of how I'm using the content once modified, I would say it's legal under "Fair Use - Making commentary and criticism as part of a news report or published article."
28-07-2012, 05:20 PM
atpeak

It's really simple. He is either using a private server or like you said using clientside packets which can only be done by using 3rd party tools which is breaking the t&cs.

The screenie looks a bit odd, you see the other tab that says "Habbo:" whats that? (excuse my ignorance)

---------- Post added 28-07-2012 at 06:21 PM ----------

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Because of how I'm using the content once modified, I would say it's legal under "Fair Use - Making commentary and criticism as part of a news report or published article."

That doesn't make sense because it wasn't published by Habbo, rather hunted by you. But hey I don't really mind, I'm happy to see those images :)
28-07-2012, 05:23 PM
Jarkie

It doesn't matter how Shorty gets the images, we should be thankful that he shares them with us, he could choose not too.
28-07-2012, 05:23 PM
GoldenMerc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarkie

It doesn't matter how Shorty gets the images, we should be thankful that he shares them with us, he could choose not too.

Yeh im not ******** about him getting the images, im just interested in how, not why.
28-07-2012, 05:24 PM
Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by atpeak

It's really simple. He is either using a private server or like you said using clientside packets which can only be done by using 3rd party tools which is breaking the t&cs.

The screenie looks a bit odd, you see the other tab that says "Habbo:" whats that? (excuse my ignorance)

---------- Post added 28-07-2012 at 06:21 PM ----------

That doesn't make sense because it wasn't published by Habbo, rather hunted by you. But hey I don't really mind, I'm happy to see those images :)

As far as I'm aware, I'm not breaking any T&S since the methods which you posted are not being used by me.
28-07-2012, 05:25 PM
atpeak

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

Yeh im not ******** about him getting the images, im just interested in how, not why.

Same.
28-07-2012, 05:28 PM
Jarkie

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

Yeh im not ******** about him getting the images, im just interested in how, not why.

Quote:

Originally Posted by atpeak

Same.

Whats the saying.. oh yeah "A magician never revels his secrets" - I think the same concept can apply here.
28-07-2012, 05:59 PM
Abdicators

Quote:

Originally Posted by atpeak

Hey dude, you are getting these clientside images from a Retro server. So you couldn't possibly report Jarkie, LoL.

*REMOVED*

Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

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Edited by Chris (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to other members!
28-07-2012, 06:02 PM
Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abdicators

*REMOVED*

Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

*REMOVED*

$this->IsCorrect();

+rep for whenever I next have it.
28-07-2012, 06:02 PM
GoldenMerc

+Rep whenever i can

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abdicators

*REMOVED*

Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

*REMOVED*
28-07-2012, 06:09 PM
atpeak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarkie

Whats the saying.. oh yeah "A magician never revels his secrets" - I think the same concept can apply here.

Unless you can trick them into revealing it :P
28-07-2012, 06:10 PM
GoldenMerc

So hold on a sec, does that mean you can play that Habbo raceway or what ever?
28-07-2012, 06:11 PM
Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

So hold on a sec, does that mean you can play that Habbo raceway or what ever?

They haven't uploaded the game content to make it work yet, only graphical art which shows on the 'gamecenter'
28-07-2012, 06:12 PM
GoldenMerc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty

They haven't uploaded the game content to make it work yet, only graphical art which shows on the 'gamecenter'

So once they upload the game content you can play?
28-07-2012, 06:13 PM
Abdicators

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

So once they upload the game content you can play?

Yes.
28-07-2012, 06:29 PM
Jarkie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty

I reported Jarkie not expecting it to work, luckily there's no active Guardians to review the request. As you can see from the alert below, the system is clearly not ready.

http://i.imgur.com/wJrdo.png

Edit://

Alpha badge which was found awhile ago..

http://images.habbo.com/c_images/album1584/HHAT.gif

Translation: "The guardians are the Habbo Alphas but top-level"
Original: Los guardianes son los Habbo Alphas pero de nivel superior

Source:
https://twitter.com/Habbo_Diana/stat...62169443254272

If I get banned for this, I'm suing you
28-07-2012, 06:35 PM
GoldenMerc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarkie

If I get banned for this, I'm suing you

"Your account is owned by Sulake unless stated otherwise" but ngl it'd be funny haha
28-07-2012, 06:36 PM
Jarkie

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

"Your account is owned by Sulake unless stated otherwise" but ngl it'd be funny haha

It be on the news and everything i be well mega fam, till Paul sticks his claws in.
30-07-2012, 04:46 AM
Agesilaus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

That’s looking good, and so does the new Help Center menu.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob1

Back to topic - new screenshots confirm my worries from previous posts, don't give this system very long without some changes to the application/vetting process we're assuming will happen. I don't understand why Habbo would choose not to have stricter criteria in place for these volunteers after the pressures/issues Facebook have faced

That’s because Sulake have this instinctive tendency to ignore the issues users and other people bring forward. It looks like if you want anything to get heard, you have to go to the media and have it exploited to the world.

Geez… What a painful way for a company to learn something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abdicators

Looking through the code in the client, and at all the images (not just the ones Shorty thinks are interesting!) i'm a bit confused as to how this is actually going to work.

At first I though the 'Guardian' role would give select Habbos the powers to kick, mute and room ban users in a fashion similar to that of Hobbas. In the sense that they would respond to a call, and chose an appropriate action based on the situation. After that, I thought the action that you had performed was going to be forwarded to other Guardians for review; to help ensure you was not abusing your position. At least, this is the idea I got from some of Sulakes developers.

After looking at the code and images though, it looks like to me as though an action is based on how 'bad' the bully is being ('Ok', 'Bad' or 'Very Bad'). The decision to how the bully is being seems to be collected from an average of several different Guardian votes, I then assume the server will take an automatic action based on that vote result.

This is exactly what I thought! Your last paragraph there defines how I am now seeing this as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubergergely

The Habbo Guardian feature will not offer any kind of room controls; such as kick, ban, etc and will basically be a call-for-help picked up automatically in a certain topic and will be sent round to various on-duty helpers and they will have the option to vote it as a bad report (action needs taking) or no-use report (report isn't worth taking action too). Also, everyone will be able to use this feature but we are working on, if abused - how we will be taking it from the abusing users.

God, they really do change their mind a lot. Paul raves his lies on Twitter about having ‘kick powers’. Also a small chat with staff said that higher level helpers will get this ability. It seems like they are still thinking about what they should actually give them. It would be nice if they weren't so misleading about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abdicators

*REMOVED*

Most of the images myself and Shorty obtain, are done through enabling variables inside the client by modifying their list of 'external variables', you can find the link to the current public variables by viewing the source of the clients page. This is an example of how we managed to get the 'Habbo Way Badge' before any body else on Habbo, we were reported to the developers who admitted that it was their fault we had access to it, as the externals are so easily modified; that is fine.

Additional images are sometimes obtained by forcing the client to open XML windows of not yet implemented functions. This can be done a majority of ways, ranging from editing an existing XML window to add additional frames all the way down to modifying Habbos client at machine code level (AVM2), distributing these modified clients would be against the law and break Habbos ToS

None of this takes part on an emulated server. And even if it was, under the DMCA if we was able to justify the actions as educational to ourselves we would not be breaking any law. We are not using any third party tools to send any additional messages to the client, or to the server, and infact I work with Sulake to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen (which is why emulations are stuck way before any of the new stuff started to be added).

*REMOVED*

Edited by Chris (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to other members!

THANK YOU FOR FINALLY ANSWERING THIS QUESTION! I can understand why you people were so hesitant to tell us in the first place, though.
30-07-2012, 02:29 PM
Shorty

Pending Report now has a friendly interface.

http://i.imgur.com/ALFub.png
30-07-2012, 02:33 PM
Michael

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty

Pending Report now has a friendly interface.

http://i.imgur.com/ALFub.png

Looks much better now, any more news?
30-07-2012, 04:02 PM
Shorty

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michaeel

Looks much better now, any more news?

GPN$ said whatever is first will come first, in regards to Guardians & Full Chat.
ediootti said that no guardians tomorrow (31st), however soon.
02-08-2012, 06:44 PM
Ohwen

Does anybody know if guardian will be released today(8/2)? I know Paul said that guardians are going to be released shortly after free chat is back, but I wasn't sure if it was the same day or not.
02-08-2012, 06:47 PM
Abdicators

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohwen

Does anybody know if guardian will be released today(8/2)? I know Paul said that guardians are going to be released shortly after free chat is back, but I wasn't sure if it was the same day or not.

I'd put my bets on next week.
02-08-2012, 06:50 PM
Jarkie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohwen

Does anybody know if guardian will be released today(8/2)? I know Paul said that guardians are going to be released shortly after free chat is back, but I wasn't sure if it was the same day or not.

It will most likely be next week. Hill (staff member) said he is just testing the final stage of this system.
02-08-2012, 07:00 PM
Shorty

I heard somebody mention next week, I think it was Nick.

Somebody asked "When do the next levels of Helpers come?" and he replied "Next Week"
02-08-2012, 07:05 PM
AngusBreez

This is really nice layout for the Guardian system... I like the wee Good, Ok, Bad thing hahaha
04-08-2012, 04:48 PM
ColyTom

Excited for this new system :D
04-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Naythi.

Will we be getting it first in .COM? Or are we still last to get everything?
04-08-2012, 05:52 PM
Jorc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naythi.

Will we be getting it first in .COM? Or are we still last to get everything?

Paul wrote on twitter we will be getting it first.

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