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Originally Posted by Grig

News does not equate to guides, it should be the Content Department's job. News means current affairs, come on. It needs serious work and if you think guides should be news, I think you should open a dictionary.

News needs way more things to work on than this. I am fully against the news department doing this because it simply makes no sense.

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The only reason that I would give it to news over content is that news has more people, which means it is likely to be done quicker (but that point gets negated because most content designers are in news).

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Originally Posted by Kardan

The only reason that I would give it to news over content is that news has more people, which means it is likely to be done quicker (but that point gets negated because most content designers are in news).

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That is not news' problem. News has much more important things to focus on, which is lacking at the moment. If you like me to list them out, I'd me more than happy to. But that is a really silly reason. From my experience, news has many more important issues to focus on and I was always against this.

Paraphrasing articles seems like a monotonous norm for the department nowadays.

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For those wondering,

- News is paraphrased and boring.

- Real life news should have been removed long ago and replaced with specialist reports that myself and Martin were successful at.

- Lot's of extremely boring articles. Reading through them is like paint drying on the wall. Only Sam seems to be putting in the effort of actually going beyond borders.

- International hotels seem to take priority over Habbo.com

- SPAG errors are prevelant majorly until the article is edited, even beyond that it seems dry.


I hate being negative, I really do. But to say this should be taken on by a department, in which fundamental problems need taken care of is not right. OED on news says differently.

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Originally Posted by Grig

That is not news' problem. News has much more important things to focus on, which is lacking at the moment. If you like me to list them out, I'd me more than happy to. But that is a really silly reason. From my experience, news has many more important issues to focus on and I was always against this.

Paraphrasing articles seems like a monotonous norm for the department nowadays.

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For those wondering,

- News is paraphrased and boring.

- Real life news should have been removed long ago and replaced with specialist reports that myself and Martin were successful at.

- Lot's of extremely boring articles. Reading through them is like paint drying on the wall. Only Sam seems to be putting in the effort of actually going beyond borders.

- International hotels seem to take priority over Habbo.com

- SPAG errors are prevelant majorly until the article is edited, even beyond that it seems dry.


I hate being negative, I really do. But to say this should be taken on by a department, in which fundamental problems need taken care of is not right. OED on news says differently.

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Some of those I do agree with and me stepping down also proved a point really I thought, as I spoke to you about minimally.

Like I said, I don't care where it goes it's just something that could provide more members for Habbox which we need to try and get.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

Some of those I do agree with and me stepping down also proved a point really I thought, as I spoke to you about minimally.

Like I said, I don't care where it goes it's just something that could provide more members for Habbox which we need to try and get.

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Without a doubt a very nice idea, but news should not be taking this on, but rather content :p.

I have noticed international hotels taking over a little so I have actually asked Hayden to lay off those a bit lmao.

from what I have seen the amount of spag errors before we edit has been getting slightly better, but with the current situation of some new people making up about 1/2 the dep it's inevitable that there will be more errors just cause they are new really.

I really am in support of it just cause of the bringing of more members though especially cause it worked for habbosecrets so well.

the real life I dunno with really, like I do enjoy reading them when someone posts them but they aren't posted massively much anymore, but again we do get staff from time to time who have taken an interest in posting real life quite a bit, not really doing any harm by being there imo.

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

I have noticed international hotels taking over a little so I have actually asked Hayden to lay off those a bit lmao.

from what I have seen the amount of spag errors before we edit has been getting slightly better, but with the current situation of some new people making up about 1/2 the dep it's inevitable that there will be more errors just cause they are new really.

I really am in support of it just cause of the bringing of more members though especially cause it worked for habbosecrets so well.

the real life I dunno with really, like I do enjoy reading them when someone posts them but they aren't posted massively much anymore, but again we do get staff from time to time who have taken an interest in posting real life quite a bit, not really doing any harm by being there imo.

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No offence, but where have you been?

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

I have noticed international hotels taking over a little so I have actually asked Hayden to lay off those a bit lmao.

from what I have seen the amount of spag errors before we edit has been getting slightly better, but with the current situation of some new people making up about 1/2 the dep it's inevitable that there will be more errors just cause they are new really.

I really am in support of it just cause of the bringing of more members though especially cause it worked for habbosecrets so well.

the real life I dunno with really, like I do enjoy reading them when someone posts them but they aren't posted massively much anymore, but again we do get staff from time to time who have taken an interest in posting real life quite a bit, not really doing any harm by being there imo.

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Yeh, I get you Jan, never an attack on you. But like I always used to question, what makes Habbox News different. Real life news is great, but many turn them into editorials or reviews of technology and entertainment like it was before. Re-phrasing real life stories brings nothing new and for news to be relevant nowadays, it needs something unique like that :P.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

No offence, but where have you been?

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Yeh, I agree and noticed it's pretty slow.

Not even going to read this thread, I've had a very, very basic Tl;DR though.

All I can say is, didn't you all argue that your writing style was completely differents? So if you can't write content for Habbox (which, may I add, includes Guides) then surely you can't write them as part as news as you can't write in that style? Or are you going to admit that's ******** like I first thought? :P

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Originally Posted by Skynus

Not even going to read this thread, I've had a very, very basic Tl;DR though.

All I can say is, didn't you all argue that your writing style was completely differents? So if you can't write content for Habbox (which, may I add, includes Guides) then surely you can't write them as part as news as you can't write in that style? Or are you going to admit that's ******** like I first thought? :P

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What we said was that those that are in news now: Inkwell, Intersocial, .Cymru., Runeaddict99 and myself have all been in Content or have written for it therefore would know, although I don't really want to write guides like that as I'm not really a fanatic about that side of Habbo.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

No offence, but where have you been?

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i meant for non-new people to the dep :P

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Originally Posted by Grig

Yeh, I get you Jan, never an attack on you. But like I always used to question, what makes Habbox News different. Real life news is great, but many turn them into editorials or reviews of technology and entertainment like it was before. Re-phrasing real life stories brings nothing new and for news to be relevant nowadays, it needs something unique like that :P.

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yea i do agree on that really, not really had any real life articles done atm anyway at least for that to happen lmao. be nice if there could be more unique ones like the tiger bread and salty cheese really cause they actually make for an entertaining read lmao

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Originally Posted by Skynus

Not even going to read this thread, I've had a very, very basic Tl;DR though.

All I can say is, didn't you all argue that your writing style was completely differents? So if you can't write content for Habbox (which, may I add, includes Guides) then surely you can't write them as part as news as you can't write in that style? Or are you going to admit that's ******** like I first thought? :P

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guides as in what we are on about are very similar to current news anyway though, it's literally going to be cut out the non-necessary bits from a badge report and make it as concise as possible so that it just says this badge has been released and how to get it (and for the case of those who don't tell you how to get it in their reports to add that too). wouldn't really call it similar to the wiki work etc lmao

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

What we said was that those that are in news now: Inkwell, Intersocial, .Cymru., Runeaddict99 and myself have all been in Content or have written for it therefore would know, although I don't really want to write guides like that as I'm not really a fanatic about that side of Habbo.

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Okay... so let's think about the future of News. When news staff come in (who obviously won't be able to write in both styles because they're not adaptable AT ALL) what are you going to do? Just say they don't need to do them? That's a bit unfair. Content have always done guides and it should really stay that way. All the people you want to do the guides are in the Content Department anyway like you said. Bar a couple.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

What we said was that those that are in news now: Inkwell, Intersocial, .Cymru., Runeaddict99 and myself have all been in Content or have written for it therefore would know, although I don't really want to write guides like that as I'm not really a fanatic about that side of Habbo.

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And what was the reason for the others leaving content? To me it seems like it may be the difference in writing style?

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

i meant for non-new people to the dep :P



yea i do agree on that really, not really had any real life articles done atm anyway at least for that to happen lmao. be nice if there could be more unique ones like the tiger bread and salty cheese really cause they actually make for an entertaining read lmao

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guides as in what we are on about are very similar to current news anyway though, it's literally going to be cut out the non-necessary bits from a badge report and make it as concise as possible so that it just says this badge has been released and how to get it (and for the case of those who don't tell you how to get it in their reports to add that too). wouldn't really call it similar to the wiki work etc lmao

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Nope you're still incorrect about that, there are people who have been there long enough to know SPAG yet they don't.

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Originally Posted by pasta

And what was the reason for the others leaving content? To me it seems like it may be the difference in writing style?

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for me it was not enjoying either the site or wiki work at all found it really boring and dry which is why i wouldnt return with the guides thing unless I could just do that.

i believe was also same reason for .cymru./Shoned

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@Skynus; thing is though it's not going to be a forced min cause it'll just be a sub-section asusming that's what happens not some other way, so that other people from the normal news can still contribute to if they wish (but the people who are in that sub-section will have that as their min instead)

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Originally Posted by Skynus

Okay... so let's think about the future of News. When news staff come in (who obviously won't be able to write in both styles because they're not adaptable AT ALL) what are you going to do? Just say they don't need to do them? That's a bit unfair. Content have always done guides and it should really stay that way. All the people you want to do the guides are in the Content Department anyway like you said. Bar a couple.

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That's exactly my point. It shouldn't really be a debate at all.

Also, if content were to take hold of this new idea, it could work hand-in-hand with the wiki when we get badge information added onto there as when a member of staff has created the guide, they can then go and edit the relevant badge page on the wiki to include the information on how users were able to earn the badge with the knowledge still fresh in their mind

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Originally Posted by Skynus

Okay... so let's think about the future of News. When news staff come in (who obviously won't be able to write in both styles because they're not adaptable AT ALL) what are you going to do? Just say they don't need to do them? That's a bit unfair. Content have always done guides and it should really stay that way. All the people you want to do the guides are in the Content Department anyway like you said. Bar a couple.

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I never said they weren't adaptable, I said and I will still say they're different styles.

They shouldn't need to do guides if they don't want to? If it's coming to news or content I don't expect to be writing them, there's a difference really isn't there as guides about something happening on Habbo currently are more suited to the community rather than content? Like I said though I don't mind which department if any does it.

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

for me it was not enjoying either the site or wiki work at all found it really boring and dry which is why i wouldnt return with the guides thing unless I could just do that.

i believe was also same reason for .cymru./Shoned

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@Skynus; thing is though it's not going to be a forced min cause it'll just be a sub-section asusming that's what happens not some other way, so that other people from the normal news can still contribute to if they wish (but the people who are in that sub-section will have that as their min instead)

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Can we please go back to the definition of 'news'. I keep emphasizing that.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

Nope you're still incorrect about that, there are people who have been there long enough to know SPAG yet they don't.

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just forget i said that then lmao. I personally can see an improvement myself, Hayden and Jade for instance but oh well :(

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Originally Posted by pasta

And what was the reason for the others leaving content? To me it seems like it may be the difference in writing style?

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I believe Ryan may have resigned due to too many roles.

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

for me it was not enjoying either the site or wiki work at all found it really boring and dry which is why i wouldnt return with the guides thing unless I could just do that.

i believe was also same reason for .cymru./Shoned

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But the site side of the department is guide work the majority of the time (or was when I was part of it in the past)

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Originally Posted by pasta

But the site side of the department is guide work the majority of the time (or was when I was part of it in the past)

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all i found myself doing was spagging and updating info tbh when I was there. any guide work too would have needed like gifs/videos etc and coding which i wasn't really able to do anyway so I really was just stuck with that lmfao

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

just forget i said that then lmao. I personally can see an improvement myself, Hayden and Jade for instance but oh well :(

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It took a few too many edit PMs to prove it though, I can't see an improvement, well especially in the admin side it's still appalling as if I didn't do it, then it didn't get done. Also, the ones you named one of them has improved slightly, but there are reasons why I won't go into why they're not the best in the department.

Any decisions on who is taking over it then?

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Originally Posted by pasta

But the site side of the department is guide work the majority of the time (or was when I was part of it in the past)

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I agree and disagree, I have access to some department pages, Fast Food and an events page, one of them is more guide like I agree, but there are a few that aren't though. The guides I stay clear of too though, mainly the same reason as Inkwell.

This sounds more of a role for content rather than news with every new post. (By all means work together if needed)

Why can it simply not go into a separate subforum, which both content and news could view (and if someone who wasn't in those depts wanted to join it, just be given a new role) simply like the magazine did.

Honest to God people whine that news should try and be more up to date and improve, and when someone tries they claim another department to do it.

As news is a "specialised type of content" (to quote Kardan more or less), this job would be a "specialised type of content", so there is no reason not to shove it into its own department which news + content have access to, because both are equally capable of doing it.

BOLDED EVERYTHING IN RAGE

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

It took a few too many edit PMs to prove it though, I can't see an improvement, well especially in the admin side it's still appalling as if I didn't do it, then it didn't get done. Also, the ones you named one of them has improved slightly, but there are reasons why I won't go into why they're not the best in the department.

Any decisions on who is taking over it then?

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Fully agree, I think the qualifications have become much too easy. Anyone who can make paint dry in a wall moderately good can be in nowadays. But the fact is and I really want Hx News to do well, as it's always been a 'baby' of mine as per say, is that it is the wrong direction to go in. I have not seen interesting articles posted recently, in retrospect, I've even see articles about international hotels take priority over Habbo.com.

If that's the ethos, why should people even bother reading news on Habbox.

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

Why can it simply not go into a separate subforum, which both content and news could view (and if someone who wasn't in those depts wanted to join it, just be given a new role) simply like the magazine did.

Honest to God people whine that news should try and be more up to date and improve, and when someone tries they claim another department to do it.

As news is a "specialised type of content" (to quote Kardan more or less), this job would be a "specialised type of content", so there is no reason not to shove it into its own department which news + content have access to, because both are equally capable of doing it.

BOLDED EVERYTHING IN RAGE

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So you are basically asking for a separate department? Not fully but you are with people who aren't in news or content to have a brand new role.

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

Why can it simply not go into a separate subforum, which both content and news could view (and if someone who wasn't in those depts wanted to join it, just be given a new role) simply like the magazine did.

Honest to God people whine that news should try and be more up to date and improve, and when someone tries they claim another department to do it.

As news is a "specialised type of content" (to quote Kardan more or less), this job would be a "specialised type of content", so there is no reason not to shove it into its own department which news + content have access to, because both are equally capable of doing it.

BOLDED EVERYTHING IN RAGE

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Because news has more crucial issues to tackle.....:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Grig

Fully agree, I think the qualifications have become much too easy. Anyone who can make paint dry in a wall moderately good can be in nowadays. But the fact is and I really want Hx News to do well, as it's always been a 'baby' of mine as per say, is that it is the wrong direction to go in. I have not seen interesting articles posted recently, in retrospect, I've even see articles about international hotels take priority over Habbo.com.

If that's the ethos, why should people even bother reading news on Habbox.

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no article has actually taken any priority over .com that is international, hayden has actually checked everytime to make sure there was nothing else before he writes them (or at least so he claims).

@Samanfa; well i think the admin side should probably pick up now me hayden and ryan are all off exams at least now which is hopeful lmao.

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Originally Posted by Grig

Fully agree, I think the qualifications have become much too easy. Anyone who can make paint dry in a wall moderately good can be in nowadays. But the fact is and I really want Hx News to do well, as it's always been a 'baby' of mine as per say, is that it is the wrong direction to go in. I have not seen interesting articles posted recently, in retrospect, I've even see articles about international hotels take priority over Habbo.com.

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This is not directly anyone's fault. I have done a few of these international reports because it's fun to report on things from other hotels, you say that I should take Habbo.com as a priority and I do - but I have to leave news tasks for others, and no-one else (apart from Sam at times) in news explores international Habbo news. I would love to shove every Habbo.com piece of news out there, but then I get whined at for "doing all the news" (to quote CaptainAce).

It's the fact other news reporters are too lazy and just don't care about news, and if no-one else is applying for news there is so little we can do about habbo.com being a priority without a massive rant occurring.

I'm just gonna be blunt here and just tell you to be quiet, stop and look at all the posts and attempt to see how stupid this is becoming.

Can I just point out, @Samanfa;, that you said "I said and I will still say they're different styles" yeah? So if they're different writing styles I will again emphasise my point that Guides were primarily done by content staff - which means, obviously, it's more of a 'content writing style' (because like you say there is such a distinct difference) which means that News staff are unable to write guides.

We'll leave this debate there.

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Originally Posted by Skynus

I'm just gonna be blunt here and just tell you to be quiet, stop and look at all the posts and attempt to see how stupid this is becoming.

Can I just point out, @Samanfa;, that you said "I said and I will still say they're different styles" yeah? So if they're different writing styles I will again emphasise my point that Guides were primarily done by content staff - which means, obviously, it's more of a 'content writing style' (because like you say there is such a distinct difference) which means that News staff are unable to write guides.

We'll leave this debate there.

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I don't mind you saying that at all, I was just talking about the current news staff, in the future it would be more suited to content I never disputed that.

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Originally Posted by Grig

Because news has more crucial issues to tackle.....:rolleyes:

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This gives people the chance to choose if they want to work in that department as well though? All your important news issues to tackle seem to be things a manager has to tell people to improve - not the people themselves.

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And has everyone forgotten that some people (i.e. people in content and people in news) are capable of switching writing style. It's not a fixed thing you know... if it was then I would be bewildered how anyone could pass GCSE English.

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Originally Posted by Skynus

I'm just gonna be blunt here and just tell you to be quiet, stop and look at all the posts and attempt to see how stupid this is becoming.

Can I just point out, @Samanfa;, that you said "I said and I will still say they're different styles" yeah? So if they're different writing styles I will again emphasise my point that Guides were primarily done by content staff - which means, obviously, it's more of a 'content writing style' (because like you say there is such a distinct difference) which means that News staff are unable to write guides.

We'll leave this debate there.

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the thing is they are going to be nothing like content design guides, no length descriptions of stuff, no edited videos or gifs or anything, they'd be much more in the style of news with reporting the release of something new in a sentence or two and a description of how to do it step by step. so really they aren't anything like content guides to claim that lmao

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

I don't mind you saying that at all, I was just talking about the current news staff, in the future it would be more suited to content I never disputed that.

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So then please tell me the logic of giving it to News staff right now when it will just later be transferred to Content? Waste of time if you ask me - or is this the point; to waste time?

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

This gives people the chance to choose if they want to work in that department as well though? All your important news issues to tackle seem to be things a manager has to tell people to improve - not the people themselves.

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And has everyone forgotten that some people (i.e. people in content and people in news) are capable of switching writing style. It's not a fixed thing you know... if it was then I would be bewildered how anyone could pass GCSE English.

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Then going full circle, news does not have the capacity to take on guides.

I am trying to prove a point, as well as state my opposition to it.

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

no article has actually taken any priority over .com that is international, hayden has actually checked everytime to make sure there was nothing else before he writes them (or at least so he claims).

@Samanfa; well i think the admin side should probably pick up now me hayden and ryan are all off exams at least now which is hopeful lmao.

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Yes it has, international usually takes priority and I told you plenty of times.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

So you are basically asking for a separate department? Not fully but you are with people who aren't in news or content to have a brand new role.

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For the people who just want to work in there but not news/content yes. Because if a person were to join content just to do guides, I'd imagine they'd have to do wiki work and site work as well (when v7 is out) which they might not enjoy. Likewise if a person was forced to join news to do guides, they'd might not like the full news writing style and just want to write a guide once in a while.

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

For the people who just want to work in there but not news/content yes. Because if a person were to join content just to do guides, I'd imagine they'd have to do wiki work and site work as well (when v7 is out) which they might not enjoy. Likewise if a person was forced to join news to do guides, they'd might not like the full news writing style and just want to write a guide once in a while.

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And who manages them, Inkwell or Skynus or a new person altogether? This reminds me of the merge.

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Originally Posted by Grig

Then going full circle, news does not have the capacity to take on guides.

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Neither would content when v7 arrives? Wiki/Site pages/Guides would be demanding as well.