Leave moderating to the moderators rule is ridiculous and lame and stupid

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Originally Posted by Phil

When are you not giving e5 a hard time

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So saying that someone -repped me is giving someone a hard time? :P

Talking about someone else's poor decisions is your fault Kardan

I haven't read through the thread so apologies if I'm repeating someone else

The rules there as there's just no need to post "you're breaking the rules"- that's what the report button is for. There's no need for you to pointlessly post when you can just report it.

iirc the rules were relaxed a year or two ago? Now you can say something like "already posted here ______" can't you?


edit: why do i always revive these threads lol sorry!

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Originally Posted by Matthew

I haven't read through the thread so apologies if I'm repeating someone else

The rules there as there's just no need to post "you're breaking the rules"- that's what the report button is for. There's no need for you to pointlessly post when you can just report it.

iirc the rules were relaxed a year or two ago? Now you can say something like "already posted here ______" can't you?


edit: why do i always revive these threads lol sorry!

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Saying already posted here isn't breaking the rules and afaik never has

It's informing the user that the subject is already being talked about elsewhere, it's not saying you've broke the rules close this thread etc.

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Originally Posted by Matthew

I haven't read through the thread so apologies if I'm repeating someone else

The rules there as there's just no need to post "you're breaking the rules"- that's what the report button is for. There's no need for you to pointlessly post when you can just report it.

iirc the rules were relaxed a year or two ago? Now you can say something like "already posted here ______" can't you?


edit: why do i always revive these threads lol sorry!

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You can only say 'Already posted here' if you add to the discussion to remain on topic.

But, you can't say 'You've avoided the filter' even if you add to the discussion to remain on topic.

And, if you're in spam, you'll still get warned, even though, as you said, it's essentially pointless posting.

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Originally Posted by scottish

Saying already posted here isn't breaking the rules and afaik never has

It's informing the user that the subject is already being talked about elsewhere, it's not saying you've broke the rules close this thread etc.

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Hmm

I swear it was? Or at least there was a period where mods were editing posts which said "already posted here _____" and so it was just clarified that it was okay. Maybe I'm going mad but I swear there was a massive feedback thread about it maybe a year or two ago?

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Originally Posted by Matthew

Hmm

I swear it was? Or at least there was a period where mods were editing posts which said "already posted here _____" and so it was just clarified that it was okay. Maybe I'm going mad but I swear there was a massive feedback thread about it maybe a year or two ago?

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I remember it being against the rules maybe a few months back, so 'It's okay if you add something to remain on topic' was added to the rules.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

You can only say 'Already posted here' if you add to the discussion to remain on topic.

But, you can't say 'You've avoided the filter' even if you add to the discussion to remain on topic.

And, if you're in spam, you'll still get warned, even though, as you said, it's essentially pointless posting.

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IMO it should be allowed. I don't see the issue with a little nudge AS LONG AS you also post on topic with the remainder of your post. In spam it should be okay.

It becomes a problem when people go around and try to take things into their own hands etc but as long as it remains a friendly reminder of the rules then I see no problem personally.

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Originally Posted by Matthew

IMO it should be allowed. I don't see the issue with a little nudge AS LONG AS you also post on topic with the remainder of your post. In spam it should be okay.

It becomes a problem when people go around and try to take things into their own hands etc but as long as it remains a friendly reminder of the rules then I see no problem personally.

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Well, that's what the majority think, except Phil, and he's the one with the decision, so it's going to stay the way it is :P

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Well, that's what the majority think, except Phil, and he's the one with the decision, so it's going to stay the way it is :P

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meh well either way I don't think its a massive issue!

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Originally Posted by Matthew

meh well either way I don't think its a massive issue!

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Well, it turns out you can never get a warning or infraction for breaking the rule (which makes me think, why is it even a rule in the first place?) so it doesn't really matter if people break it, it's just more work for the moderators.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Well, it turns out you can never get a warning or infraction for breaking the rule (which makes me think, why is it even a rule in the first place?) so it doesn't really matter if people break it, it's just more work for the moderators.

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Well its the same for pointless posts, you can't get warned/infracted for it (but you can face bans and stuff I think)

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Originally Posted by Matthew

Well its the same for pointless posts, you can't get warned/infracted for it (but you can face bans and stuff I think)

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How can you face bans if you don't get warned/infracted?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

How can you face bans if you don't get warned/infracted?

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Its just the way its always worked I guess :P

Obviously normally its usernote > warning > infraction but if we used warnings and infractions for pointless posts there'd be no-one left on the forum :P. Basically if someone pointlessly posts a LOT in a short space of time then they can be cautioned/temp banned from certain forums/the whole forum etc

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Originally Posted by Matthew

Its just the way its always worked I guess :P

Obviously normally its usernote > warning > infraction but if we used warnings and infractions for pointless posts there'd be no-one left on the forum :P. Basically if someone pointlessly posts a LOT in a short space of time then they can be cautioned/temp banned from certain forums/the whole forum etc

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Well, forum management might want to consider writing that within the rules somewhere then :P

It saves having to deal with people who jump on the high horse and think they're moderators.

I'd much rather have the rule in place cuz I couldn't bare with idiots doing that.

@Kardan; is there something about my reply you're unhappy with and would like me to clarify or have another look at?

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Originally Posted by Phil

@Kardan; is there something about my reply you're unhappy with and would like me to clarify or have another look at?

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I think the only bit that needs adding is a 'This part of the rule does not apply in the spam forum.'

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I think the only bit that needs adding is a 'This part of the rule does not apply in the spam forum.'

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I don't think it needs to be added. This is because the rule should still stand while in Spam. I don't think other forum users need to go telling other people when they have broken a rule.

Although, I will make sure that Moderators know that the rule should be relaxed in the Spam forums and should not be edited when it is clear you are just having some banter/being annoying and should only be edited when you're genuinely telling someone they're breaking the rules

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Originally Posted by Phil

I don't think it needs to be added. This is because the rule should still stand while in Spam. I don't think other forum users need to go telling other people when they have broken a rule.

Although, I will make sure that Moderators know that the rule should be relaxed in the Spam forums and should not be edited when it is clear you are just having some banter/being annoying and should only be edited when you're genuinely telling someone they're breaking the rules

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So what comes out of this in terms of me and Aiden's mod warnings?

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

So what comes out of this in terms of me and Aiden's mod warnings?

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Doesn't really matter because we can't get warned/infracted for it, so we could do it another 500 times and we'd still be fine.

So its a pointless rule in theory?

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Pretty much, so is pointless posting as well, apparently you never get banned for that either.

This type of post is the exact reason why the rule is in place. It is pointless to post it and you can simply just report it as others did. There was no need for the reply here.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Doesn't really matter because we can't get warned/infracted for it, so we could do it another 500 times and we'd still be fine.

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Not true. Excessive rule breaking of the pointless post rule would result in a ban or infraction :P

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Originally Posted by e5

This type of post is the exact reason why the rule is in place. It is pointless to post it and you can simply just report it as others did. There was no need for the reply here.



Not true. Excessive rule breaking of the pointless post rule would result in a ban or infraction :P

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And the bolded part is why I think the rule seems a bit silly, the rule really isn't about people pretending to be moderators, it's about pointless posting.

So what would the infraction say for pointless posting, since I was told there isn't an infraction for pointless posting?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

And the bolded part is why I think the rule seems a bit silly, the rule really isn't about people pretending to be moderators, it's about pointless posting.

So what would the infraction say for pointless posting, since I was told there isn't an infraction for pointless posting?

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I don't think I said it was trying to be a moderator, but some people do take it to that extent, mainly trolls.

Well you can create custom infractions (Admin and above I think) for it or just a (temp) ban for persistent rule breaking, I think in most cases people get banned for this when they sign up just to troll and post pointlessly.

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Originally Posted by e5

I don't think I said it was trying to be a moderator, but some people do take it to that extent, mainly trolls.

Well you can create custom infractions (Admin and above I think) for it or just a (temp) ban for persistent rule breaking, I think in most cases people get banned for this when they sign up just to troll and post pointlessly.

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My point is, Zak's post, it's really more of a pointless post than anything, so seems strange that it's not warned for that - but in the end it doesn't matter, because neither of the rule breaks carry infractions.

And has anyone actually had a temp ban over pointless posting? And I mean a regular user, not a new account that comes on and spams loads of new threads everywhere like that idiot a few days back.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

My point is, Zak's post, it's really more of a pointless post than anything, so seems strange that it's not warned for that - but in the end it doesn't matter, because neither of the rule breaks carry infractions.

And has anyone actually had a temp ban over pointless posting? And I mean a regular user, not a new account that comes on and spams loads of new threads everywhere like that idiot a few days back.

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I don't know tbh.

A more fitting punishment, which is something I've always wanted it to be able to edit a pointless post and check a box so it take off the post count, but apparently it is not available :(

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Originally Posted by e5

A more fitting punishment, which is something I've always wanted it to be able to edit a pointless post and check a box so it take off the post count, but apparently it is not available :(

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It's doable, just not worth the effort.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It's doable, just not worth the effort.

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How much effort does it take?

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Originally Posted by e5

How much effort does it take?

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Have to add a button to the editor, add a permissions check. Add a column to the posts table to record it. Add a query to remove the post count. Lots of effort for very minimal functionality.