Jesus was a real person, that is a fact. The miracles he did and coming back to life are unknown. He was definitely crucified and did live around then. That is why we have BC and AD.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirrty
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Jesus was a real person, that is a fact. The miracles he did and coming back to life are unknown. He was definitely crucified and did live around then. That is why we have BC and AD.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirrty
The big bang theory may be old but there is proof for it (Red shift)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
My point is that a load of stories is not as reliable as actual proofQuote:
Originally Posted by 3dee
yup, and they have found jesus tomb, apprentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by PigsNose
Genesis pls.
I'm not saying the big bang theory didn't happen but saying something isn't true by the age of the theory is just stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by Presario
like I said I think God caused the Big Bang
Big Bang I Think.. But Who Put All The Mass There in First Place.. So I Think Someone Or Something Must Have Put The Mass There In First Place =]
yeh i actually believed first time i heard it but then i thought about it and easily remebered that jesus resurrected and then went back to heaven,Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo13.
anyway all them names were the "must-have" names around that time ... jesus, mary and judah
The concept of finding a tomb that old? Believable. That it belonged to Jesus, God's son or misinterpreted icon, not very.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo13.
As an agnostic I like to keep an open mind. Though the big bang theory is easy to acknowledge, the concept that there is something of a sentient being in the background is undeniable.
I wouldn't go as far as deeming it 'God' but something along those lines, yes.
The infinite ideas time can spawn are too much to debate over, I think. There's always the question of 'What came before that, then?'
I'm definitely going with a mixture of the two things.
Red shift is proof we are moving away (from a centre of origin), not that a "big bang" spontaneously occured from what was "just there" and which suddenly created everything. Red shift could really be considered proof of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Presario
No, none of that is a fact. There were people called jesus, alot of them, it was a VERY common name at the time. Some people with that name, were likely crusified.Quote:
Originally Posted by PigsNose
Thats all true. But if this particular jesus existed, or did any of his magic, or was crusifed, is all unknown, unproven and pure speculation.
They found a tomb, well in fact they found quite a few.. in the aria they belive jesus may have been crusifed. That doesnt mean, he was cursifed there or was put in to any of the found tombs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo13.
Red shift simply proves the universe is expanding, that could be given as evdence that there must have been a big bang to cause the expantion, although background radiation seems a more concusive one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Presario
And again to everyone. The big bang was NOT the begining of the universe.
I dont know of ANY theory that says it was. Its an event though to have happened a few seconds AFTER the universe was created. Evidence for it is, universe expansion, background radiation and other residual effects.
Asking what happened before the beginning of the universe, also means you dont understand whats meant by its creation. Before the universe, makes no sence. Time is part of the universe, before it, it did not exist. It would be like asking what was to the left of beginning of the universe. It doesnt really make sence to ask.