there is no real vegan pasta because so many animals die in the harvesting of wheat. the only way to not kill/harm any animals in your diet is to live off home grown organic fruit, vegetables and nuts.
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there is no real vegan pasta because so many animals die in the harvesting of wheat. the only way to not kill/harm any animals in your diet is to live off home grown organic fruit, vegetables and nuts.
How can a vegan drive a car? Use a light? Have hot water?
Arent fuels dead animals from thousands of years ago?
Yep except coal, so they can have a coal powered car, house etc :P I think natural gas comes from the oil, but I am not 100% certain. Maybe the extreme environmentalists are vegan? The ones that don't ride/drive anything or eat much. Afterall bike tyres, car tyres are rubber which has come from an animal (I think). You can tell my knowledge of science has died out over the years :PQuote:
Originally Posted by LeftForDead
1. How do you know animals feel pain differently?Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
2. Not all animals are killed instantly.
Wont Vegans be like weak / fell weak / be ill all the time :s
That's sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
1. Because they are not self-aware like we are. Most animals do not know how to self-analyze like we do. An example I just looked up on Wikipedia.org involves shining a dot on an animals forehead. Humans (passed a certain age), apes etc reach for their forehead, rather than the mirror because they can analyze the dot appearing on them, than the mirror image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
Cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc all feel pain differently to us and do not perceive pain in a similar way. Some animal rights twits tput themselves in the animals position, and do not realise that they may feel pain differently and know what is going on. If it was the case, an animal (or animals) would fight back, but they simply stand there "/
2. Most are. It's only poorly handled places that kill them off poorly now.
Also, most vegans are. Only some actually feel healthy. It depends on the type of diet, if you don't like one thing, you're screwed. If you eat a variety of things with the same nutrients, you're safe.
Animals can feel pain, though not EVERY animal feels pain i believe, insects can't feel pain:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saurav
quite interesting:
http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/pain/mi.../culture2.html
and nah vegans can live full healthy lives from birth all the way to death, reducing dairy has been shown to reduce the build up of cholesterol and chances of osteoporosis- also calcium can be obtained from green leafy plants :)
I'm transitioning into veganism myself at the moment.. quitting cheese is really hard though.. quit meat literally overnight but cheese BAH! :(:P
Also gomme:
Well-known vegan sports people include:Carl lewis.. yeah.. such a sickly weakling...
- Sally Eastall, marathon runner
- Keith Holmes, former world champion middleweight boxer
- Carl Lewis, winner of nine Olympic Gold Medals and one of the greatest athletes of the twentieth century
- Martina Navratilova, champion tennis player - one of the most successful tennis players in history
- Dave Scott, six-time Ironman Champion and first inductee into the Ironman Hall of Fame
- Lucy Stephens, triathlete
also from wikipedia that you love..
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Benefits
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Vegan version of the nutritional food pyramid which normally includes meat and animal products.
Certain widespread diets (such as the standard American diet, which is high in fat and low in fiber and green vegetables) are detrimental to health, and a vegan diet thus represents an improvement,[52][53] in part because vegan diets are often high enough in fruit and vegetables to meet or exceed the recommended fruit and vegetable intakes. Conversely, studies in Japan found that increased consumption of some animal products coincided with a decrease in risk for some forms of cerebrovascular disease and stroke mortality.[54]
Some vegans feel additional health benefits are gained by eating food with minimal levels of substances such as growth hormones and antibiotics, which are often given to intensively farmed animals in countries where this is legal.[55] Because they are similar to human hormones, growth-promoters such as anabolic steroids that are used in cattle farming in America may affect fetal and childhood development.[56][57][58] Due to this uncertainty, the use of such growth promoters is illegal in the European community.[59]
Benefits of vegetarian diets are sometimes also valid for strict vegan diets: according to the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada, diets that avoid meat tend to have lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein, and higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants, such as vitamins C and E, and phytochemicals.[60] People who avoid meat are reported to have lower body mass indices than those following the average Canadian diet; from this follows lower death rates from ischemic heart disease; lower blood cholesterol levels; lower blood pressure; and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer.[60]
The American Dietetic Association states that well-planned vegan diets can also be appropriate for life cycles requiring high nutritional intake such as pregnancy, lactation, childhood, and adolescence.[60]
A pilot study at Georgetown University on 2005 suggested that a vegan diet can reduce blood cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes, as well as significantly reduce the complications of this disease.[61]
Vegan athletes compete in a variety of sports, including powerlifting, bodybuilding, martial arts, and long distance running.[62][63] Multiple Olympic gold medallist Carl Lewis has stated that he became vegan in 1990 and achieved his "best year of track competition" in 1991 when he ate a vegan diet.[64]
I said it varies according to what vegans eat, because they're vegans means you have a smaller variety of sources for nutrients while with a full diet, you have more. Meat isn't fattening, that argument was made up by some dumb vegan/vegetarian who forgot that fat was fattening, not the meat itself. Most dairy products are fattening, except for hundreds of products proven to reduce cholesterol.
Also, wikipedia provides information which can collide with other information. It is only a source, while experience and reason makes the argument go for further by using that information as a guide and combining it with other sources. I believe it was you, was it not, that made up the dumb theory that ALL meat is fattening? I provided proof that the 'fattiest' meat, beef wasn't fattening in terms of large amounts of fat and eating it would make you chunkier than Peter off of Family Guy "/ It was around 14% of your daily allowance of fats, and that was a 3oz steak which is enough to feel you up for dinner and was cooked in oil which added towards it aswell, I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid
Also, again your argument is not with this country. Cattle is dealt with alot differently in the UK than the US, they're by far worse than the UK at treating animals and cooking.
Also, your signature makes me laugh. You can make peace at a buffet where meat is served the same with just vegetables and pasta. There can be peace and harmony wiuth animal slaughter "/
I don't really care what anyone eats except myself, but hate how veganism is taken on like a religion that has to be preached. I don't see what's immoral about eating animal products other than how some industries choose to gain them. If a cow isn't milked it can become infected and a chicken laying an unfertilised egg is like a woman having her period. There is no cruelty in the basic concept. Eat what you like but don't try and justify it with skewed ideas.
I still disagree. Science cant proove everything. How do you know the pain they feel isn't worse? As long as they have (damn forgot what its called. sensitive cells / nerons or whatever), they can feel pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc