i dont understand people who say "im against abortion other than in cases of rape." so a baby thats a product of rape is less than a baby that's a product of regular intercourse? explain that one to me.
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i dont understand people who say "im against abortion other than in cases of rape." so a baby thats a product of rape is less than a baby that's a product of regular intercourse? explain that one to me.
The child will feel **** when it understands it's father is a rapist and the mother didn't really plan to have a baby, he/she was forced upon her. I agree with you that they're still a normal child but the effect it could have on the child could be relatively bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
yeh and if they just abort it? don't you think the mothers going to have some pain mentally? giving up a baby isn't easy but abortion is the easy and worse way out as i see it, what if that was their only chance to have a child? They will carry that burden around with them all the time and in most cases they probably regret doing it, as for being young with no support/job etc i'm sure i can name a few people that i know who have coped with it pretty well, and it's their own fault for getting pregnant so young.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leaahh.
yeah i know what you mean, just because your father was a rapist doesn't mean you have to abort the baby because it isn't the babies fault, it's not like it's going to turn out that way, and yeah maybe it's not gonna be with it's own father but it doesn't mean the baby doesn't deserve to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
not really, you could experience other things aswell if you were born into a "normal family" like your father could do terrible stuff after you're born it's just the same as before, the baby isn't effected so why they should be killed cause of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Immenseman
i'm always going to think of abortion as murder no matter what anyone says and murder = illegal how i see it anyway
You're not getting rid of a baby, you're getting rid of an egg so it's not murder... if you stood on the seed of a plant would you class that as murder? It isn't fully developed and it doesn't become a baby until well after the abortion time limit is over. It's the woman's decision, if they don't want a baby and maybe want to go to university and do their A-levels... they're going to find looking after a kid 24/7 and studying pretty hard :rolleyes: Sometimes it isn't their fault for getting pregnant, condoms can split, the pill isn't 100% effective etc. If you have a long term boyfriend, a home and a good career and then you chose abortion, that's wrong. But if you're by yourself, with no job, young with no support I can see why they would chose aborition.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttons
no that's what everyone says, i think when it's conceived it has as much right as anyone to live. Obviously it's the womans choice they should've thought bout it before they got pregnant, yes condoms split but they're 98% or so effective, the pills pretty good! you can get a pill after 24 hours so seamen in your body can be rid of straightaway (not sure if it's a pill), there's so many options to have this before waiting for an abortion. Young, jobless, alone people should be thinking about priorities such as getting further education, housing, a job etc before they're out having sex if they can't cope with it surely?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leaahh.
i think a baby is the best thing that can be given to you in life, some people can't even have babies and would do anything even for a disabled one
People in education are still young and most are jobless :S so they would probably want to get rid of it to continue with their career. I agree that they should take the morning after pill, but what if they don't realise or something until they miss a period and it's too late? In some circumstances abortion is the best option but in others it shouldn't even be an option. It all depends on the circumstances around the conception and if the 'mother to be' can cope.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttons
You raise some good points, but in many ways you've missed the perspective of what the childs life could be like if they were born. Often through inproper care from the parents through lack of income or simply not wanting the child, the child will suffer greatly and in many ways, never develop into an upstanding individual who can make it on their own in the world. No one wants to bring a life into the world which will not survive, its like torture for the life in question and for those who have to see them turn out that way. And yes, some people do cope, but many others don't, does the child deserve to live in such terrible circumstances and possibly die young, it isn't much of a life and although you could argue it is still a life, I would rather see a child not born than suffer for its simple act of living.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttons
Exactly and in Psychology we were doing mother and baby attachments, If the mother doesn't want her baby she won't treat it right and it will feel unloved and have no attachment figure which can mentally and sometimes even physically damage the child as its growing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by .Sarcastix.
Along the right lines, the mother wont show enough attention or meaningful attention meaning that the child wont be able to form its first and most important attachment with its caregiver in its 'critical stage' and therefore be unable to create sustainable attachments due to the failure of the initial 'base' attachment which all other attachments stem from. This can cause rejection anxiety, mental illness like affectionless psychopathy, and can lead the child into crime and dysfunction in society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leaahh.
I'm doing a psychology degree so I know quite a bit into attachment ;)
pffft. hows that any better than a child being born and it knowing that neither of the parents wanted it? in my opinion that could have a pretty horrible effect on a child. at least with rape the child doesnt have to know the ******* of a father that caused it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Immenseman
dont get me wrong, im still pro-choice, this is just the part of the opposition ive never understood. i'm not going to argue whether or not/when a fetus is technically a living thing, im not a scientist. i just want someone to explain to me what would be done with all of these unwanted kids. cause there's certainly not enough people willing to adopt now, let alone when there's thousands and thousands of more kids being born.
in all fairness, many people consider the morning after pill just as bad as abortion, because in essence it does the same thing: prevent a baby from being born.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttons