Bring back the death penalty?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

However that person/s are employed by the state and the state laws would allow for that because it is state execution. It is like the sex limit, people under 16 aren't legally allowed to have sex whilst those over 16 are allowed to have sex. The law is full of exceptions and without exceptions we'd either live in the most liberal country in the world or the most harsh & irrational country in the world, neither of which we would want.

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Harsh and irrational pretty much sums up the Death Penalty ;) What justice does it serve? None. Zero. Surely harsher prison sentences are better? I don't see why people for the death penalty prefer murderers to get out the easy way, yet rant on about how justice is served and how they deserve it. They get out of life scot free. Why not make them suffer in life, by living in hell on earth in groggy prisons (of course, things would need to change the system) :/

It's funny, because Brits are for developed countries filled with rational thinking and act more civil, yet people demand for incivilised and barabaric practices :/ What's next? Saving the sewage system by peeing in the streets? How about canabilism to save on food?

They maybe employed by the state, but morally they're still murderers and deserve the same treatment, whether the sorry government says otherwise or not ;) Heck, the wholedeath penality is based on false morals anyway! It is wrong to kill - yes, that's morally wrong but killing another person is still morally wrong - what is it? The death penalty makes anyone in support of it sick and confused with what is morally and legally wrong :/ I'd hate to meet someone paid to kill, as would many others - no-one would want such a job unless they're seriously sick in the head.

The only people who have made the death penalty seem uncivillised are the do gooders, just as they made it racist to talk about immigration back in 2005 with Conservative leader Michael Howard when he was accused of racism. I would prefer life sentences, that doesn't mean two years, 50 years, 100 years, 500 years - it means life. I still think the penalty should be reserved for exceptional circumstances but the fact remains, that if a member of my family or a friend was killed by someone i'd want them dead as I see that as justice, especially in this country where murderers and criminals are treated like they are the victims. If my mum/grandad - anyone in my family was killed, unprovoked in cold blooded circumstances i'd gladly throw the switch rather than having them taking art class in prison or going to the prison gym - having the luxaries most normal people can't afford and the luxaries that my relative now couldn't enjoy because they are dead.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The only people who have made the death penalty seem uncivillised are the do gooders, just as they made it racist to talk about immigration back in 2005 with Conservative leader Michael Howard when he was accused of racism. I would prefer life sentences, that doesn't mean two years, 50 years, 100 years, 500 years - it means life. I still think the penalty should be reserved for exceptional circumstances but the fact remains, that if a member of my family or a friend was killed by someone i'd want them dead as I see that as justice, especially in this country where murderers and criminals are treated like they are the victims. If my mum/grandad - anyone in my family was killed, unprovoked in cold blooded circumstances i'd gladly throw the switch rather than having them taking art class in prison or going to the prison gym - having the luxaries most normal people can't afford and the luxaries that my relative now couldn't enjoy because they are dead.

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How is that justice? Surely you want them to suffer, not get out of it that easy? Life should mean life when it is a life sentence, and that's what the problem is with the current system, as well as how the current system seems to be Premium Inns converted into prisons. I don't see killing another human being for murdering someone as justice. If someone in my family was killed, I would want them dead through blind rage - tunnel vision, but after that stage I'd want them to suffer after realising that "Hey, that's far to easy for them".

If the prison system was a prison system, and not a free stay at an exclusive Premier Inn, then I'd be happy with the system, but like you said, they get luxuries and freedom within the prisons.

But I don't agree with the death penalty, it's flawed inside and out and doesn't provide any sort of justice other than for the barbaric who should of gone extinct in the tribal/middle-ages.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

How is that justice? Surely you want them to suffer, not get out of it that easy? Life should mean life when it is a life sentence, and that's what the problem is with the current system, as well as how the current system seems to be Premium Inns converted into prisons. I don't see killing another human being for murdering someone as justice. If someone in my family was killed, I would want them dead through blind rage - tunnel vision, but after that stage I'd want them to suffer after realising that "Hey, that's far to easy for them".

If the prison system was a prison system, and not a free stay at an exclusive Premier Inn, then I'd be happy with the system, but like you said, they get luxuries and freedom within the prisons.

But I don't agree with the death penalty, it's flawed inside and out and doesn't provide any sort of justice other than for the barbaric who should of gone extinct in the tribal/middle-ages.

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I could say wanting them to suffer is just as uncivillised, if not more. I'd far prefer them dead rather than living from my taxes having fun in prison, because lets not pretend about it; prisons under this government have become holiday camps. Actually I think its such an important issue it should go to a public referendum, then the issue would be settled, if not then our justice system needs a massive overhaul because at the moment it is a disgrace and the setences being handed out are nothing more than a farce.

it costs an awful lot of money to execute someone. in the usa it can cost up to $200million to execute just 7 people, as it has to go through tonnes and tonnes of different courts, appeal processes etc. it would have cost alot less to just keep them in jail.

plus, i don't believe anyone has the right to take anyone's life. morally, killing anyone for any purpose/reason/action is as bad as killing them for no reason.

just reform the prisons, take out the xboxes and the sky tv and maybe use them in places that would benefit communities to take people away from crime. when you've got money to give prisoners toys, you've got money to benefit others.

Of course we should bring the death penalty back. Many murderers are sentenced for 12 years, just to come out of jail in 5 years. People are now commiting crimes just to get into jail! What kind of community are we if we allow this to happen? England would see a dramatic decrease in criminal activity if the Death penalty came back.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I could say wanting them to suffer is just as uncivillised, if not more. I'd far prefer them dead rather than living from my taxes having fun in prison, because lets not pretend about it; prisons under this government have become holiday camps. Actually I think its such an important issue it should go to a public referendum, then the issue would be settled, if not then our justice system needs a massive overhaul because at the moment it is a disgrace and the setences being handed out are nothing more than a farce.

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Taxes would pay for the executions, so bringing in taxes is kinda irrelevant - and they do cost alot. Also, suffering in dull prisons is hardly uncivilised, at least they're not being tortured and killed barbarically. If the prison system wasn't a holiday club, people would be put off doing crimes - the death penalty wouldn't, because large numbers wouldn't be put immediately to warrant it, incase innocent people are killed off. It will cost the government hundreds of millions to check, then double check, and check a few times more to make sure the guy is guilty.

Besides, killing terrorists who are mass-murderers would cause even bigger troubles and more wasted money - we would be no better than the terrorist cells who execute innocent British/American citizens...

Death penalty should not come back, If lets say you accidentally murdered somebody and you was enforcing the death penalty, it would be highly ironic for your life to be took under that system? Plenty of people here are saying they want it back, but dont think of the logistics that back then they didnt think of either, If you have a disability would you get away with murder? if you were drunk and walking with a bunch of mates on a pavement next to a busy road, and you slipped on the curb and grabbed your mate to steady you but in fact you pull him into the road and he gets hit by a car, would the court rule it accidental or intentional?

No, I don't want the death penalty back.

I'll be the first to admit that the prison/legal system is not all that perfect, and I would give full support to harsher prison conditions. Personally, I would recomend the prisioner being in a cell on their own, with just a toilet and a bed, with 3 basic meals a day. I don't think prisioners should even be made to socialise with other prisioners. When you look at people like Ian Huntley, his greatest wish is to die. Where is the justice in executing a man who wants to die? He just be left to rot in prison.

I would also like to see corporal punishment brought back, in the home, in schools and in prisons. I'm not affraid to admit the fact that I personally have grown up in a home, where getting whipped by my Dad with his belt is commanplace, and I've grown up to be a law abiding adult, who has never been in any problems with the police etc.

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Originally Posted by Frodo13.

No, I don't want the death penalty back.

I'll be the first to admit that the prison/legal system is not all that perfect, and I would give full support to harsher prison conditions. Personally, I would recomend the prisioner being in a cell on their own, with just a toilet and a bed, with 3 basic meals a day. I don't think prisioners should even be made to socialise with other prisioners. When you look at people like Ian Huntley, his greatest wish is to die. Where is the justice in executing a man who wants to die? He just be left to rot in prison.

I would also like to see corporal punishment brought back, in the home, in schools and in prisons. I'm not affraid to admit the fact that I personally have grown up in a home, where getting whipped by my Dad with his belt is commanplace, and I've grown up to be a law abiding adult, who has never been in any problems with the police etc.

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i think you're right for the first one, wrong for the second. my parents have never hit me (or even grounded me), limited my use of the computer or done much at all really and I haven't had any trouble with police at all.