EU bans crucifixes in Italian classrooms

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

you act as if im a 5 year old, when actually your not thinking through what you're saying...

you're acting like nobody agreed to it, and that everyone hates it? as you say "just like Adolf wanted" he would do far worse things to get it and rule it

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I'm not the one who called UKIP rascist and refused to say how they were rascist now am I, so who really is the child making the story up as he goes along? - on the fact that everybody hates it, well yes they obviously do the majority at least, because that is exactly why we are not being given a referendum on the issue. Why do you honestly think we are not being given a say? - reality check mate.

If a referendum was held and people voted yes to European Union then I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I'm not the one who called UKIP rascist and refused to say how they were rascist now am I, so who really is the child making the story up as he goes along? - on the fact that everybody hates it, well yes they obviously do the majority at least, because that is exactly why we are not being given a referendum on the issue. Why do you honestly think we are not being given a say? - reality check mate.

If a referendum was held and people voted yes to European Union then I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

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reality check, you may wanna check that thread you quoted me from.

why did ireland vote yes then? or weren't they given a say?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

If you take it that way then, the Conservatives came first in the European Parliamentary Elections and UKIP came second, so we can have our referendum on Lisbon yes or no?

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No. These were in the European Elections to represent people on the european level. If the Conservatives and UKIP formed a coalition government yes of course you can have a referendum on whatever you want. Lisbon has already passed and is law though.

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The European Union has been pushing for us to join the Euro and many Labour/Liberal Democrat MPs' also want the Euro to replace the Pound Sterling.

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And we refuse.

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Who said they have no real power? - according to the European Union itself apparently the role hasn't exactly been set out yet. We were also told that Lisbon was a 'tidying up' exercise, when in reality it was the Consitution (which was rejected) just with bits moved about so don't be suprised if I don't believe a word any european union-phile tells me.

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According to the lisbon treaty:
6. The President of the Commission shall:

(a) lay down guidelines within which the Commission is to work;

(b) decide on the internal organisation of the Commission, ensuring that it acts consistently,
efficiently and as a collegiate body;

(c) appoint Vice-Presidents, other than the High Representative of the Union for Foreign
Affairs and Security Policy, from among the members of the Commission.

A member of the Commission shall resign if the President so requests.
The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall resign, in
accordance with the procedure set out in Article 9 E(1), if the President so requests.

They are the powers it holds. Not a great deal.

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Thus centralising and making the European Union more and more like a superstate, I was not asked this and neither was the rest of the British electorate.

We were told years ago that the European Economic Community would only ever be a economic community and never a political, social and economic union - don't play us as fools.

The point still stands, national interests will now be dismissed and trod on.

I-do-not-want-European-Union-embassies. That is the mark of a country.

It already has immigration laws forcing us to accept immigrants from eastern europe, it already has its place in criminal justice, it already has a flag and it will have a President (unelected) fairly soon.

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Where is the criminal justice laws? Because there aren't any.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

reality check, you may wanna check that thread you quoted me from.

why did ireland vote yes then? or weren't they given a say?

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The Republic of Ireland were given a say, the first time it was ignored and was then forced on them again, you know, the kind of 'democracy' that crackpot loons like Robert Mugabe use in countries such as Zimbabwe?

..on a bigger point, we are not the Republic of Ireland. 5 million odd people do not speak for 60 million British people, or 500 million Europeans.

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No. These were in the European Elections to represent people on the european level. If the Conservatives and UKIP formed a coalition government yes of course you can have a referendum on whatever you want. Lisbon has already passed and is law though.

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Oh so because the results (which were as fair as you can get considering they are PR votes and not FPTP) do not suit your position, they are dismissed? - on the bigger scale, people do not vote soley on the European Union issue as you know fully well.

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According to the lisbon treaty:
6. The President of the Commission shall:

(a) lay down guidelines within which the Commission is to work;

(b) decide on the internal organisation of the Commission, ensuring that it acts consistently,
efficiently and as a collegiate body;

(c) appoint Vice-Presidents, other than the High Representative of the Union for Foreign
Affairs and Security Policy, from among the members of the Commission.

A member of the Commission shall resign if the President so requests.
The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall resign, in
accordance with the procedure set out in Article 9 E(1), if the President so requests.

They are the powers it holds. Not a great deal.

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The Lisbon Treaty is self-amending, what it says today will not be what it says a few months after the treaty comes into force. Barroso himself said that he cannot wait for the EU to take to the world stage and for the EU President to be on equal terms with the President of the US and PROC.

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here is the criminal justice laws? Because there aren't any.

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They are all linked in with other parts of the EU, death penalty ban, human rights, the European Courts.

when europe makes the decision we can veto against it?

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

when europe makes the decision we can veto against it?

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No, as the voting will now follow the majority meaning if our national interests are at odds with the EU line, the tuff luck Brits. The impression I also get is that only certain areas were guranteed under a veto, hence why we have so many stupid and awkward laws imposed on us which costs us tens of billions to implement every year.

lol its in all the papers in ireland today saying that it might happen here :lll

hope no ******* muslim complains :ll

always getting there own way

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Originally Posted by LuketheDuke

Can a moderator please edit this threads title as its completely wrong:S

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Or edit all the off topic posts. Your idea is the easiest though :P.

And if you don't vote UKIP this sort of thing will happen in our country.

Still, crucifixes should be banned everywhere - religion should be banned altogther. [/seperatepoint].

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Originally Posted by thyflux

And if you don't vote UKIP this sort of thing will happen in our country.

Still, crucifixes should be banned everywhere - religion should be banned altogther. [/seperatepoint].

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why? because Britain and Europe aren't Christian nations? :S