Bring out the clowns! - EU wastes millions on circus skills and hip hop

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I'm not forcing my views on anybody, if you disagree that this is a waste of money then come out and say it rather than attacking me over UKIP which you have brought up. UKIP has little to do with this issue and had nothing to do with this issue until you (again) brought it up and look! - you are still at it. On the issue of the UK I have little idea what you are talking about(explain?) but I often refer to this country as the United Kingdom and always have (check various previous posts if you wish). The culture of this country has little to do with the circus which is a mainly European culture and is not distintivly British and the same goes for hip hop which originated in the United States.

If you think this is a good idea then tell me what is wrong with the concept of people paying for themselves if they wish to go to a circus/hip hop event because theres little doubt in my mind that most people on here rarely go the circus, if they go at all that is.

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I am entitled to my opinion on your motives of posting the same way in all the threads. They are a decoy to enable you to go over the same ground again and again. Yes we know you don't like the European Union. Hip Hop may have originated in America in the same way as Roll and Roll did but it is now a part of our culture and Circus's are too having been first introduced in 1768 which I have already answered in another post.

It's the way you attack waste of money by saying they are not a part of our culture that aggravates me. It is almost as if you are blind to anything that is not colonial. Yes the EU wastes a lot of money but lets attack it as the multiculteral and diverse nation that we are not as the British Empire that was or from a party political standpoint as I am no more a marxist than you are a fascist. You see what I am saying here? I think investments in Culture and the Arts is a good thing provided there is demand from the population for it. I am more for a mixed economy where I feel the disadvantaged should be helped as you have more right wing views on it. Until the country unites and protests against this mounting bureaucracy that has got out of hand there will be no solution to it. I can still be leftish wing and see the waste of money but can still disagree on what you think 'Britain' now stands for.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I am entitled to my opinion on your motives of posting the same way in all the threads. They are a decoy to enable you to go over the same ground again and again. Yes we know you don't like the European Union. Hip Hop may have originated in America in the same way as Roll and Roll did but it is now a part of our culture and Circus's are too having been first introduced in 1768 which I have already answered in another post.

It's the way you attack waste of money by saying they are not a part of our culture that aggravates me. It is almost as if you are blind to anything that is not colonial. Yes the EU wastes a lot of money but lets attack it as the multiculteral and diverse nation that we are not as the British Empire that was or from a party political standpoint as I am no more a marxist than you are a fascist. You see what I am saying here? I think investments in Culture and the Arts is a good thing provided there is demand from the population for it. I am more for a mixed economy where I feel the disadvantaged should be helped as you have more right wing views on it. Until the country unites and protests against this mounting bureaucracy that has got out of hand there will be no solution to it. I can still be leftish wing and see the waste of money but can still disagree on what you think 'Britain' now stands for.

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If course you are entitled to your opinion and I never said you were not - I am challenging your opinion just as you often challenge mine. As for part of our culture; I have never known anyone or heard of anyone who visits the circus often or even is an avid fan of hip hop and i'm seriously wondering whether you have. If anything in regards to my views i'm very libertarian in my methods and right wing in my views, as is the majority of England which voted for Michael Howard who was one of the most right wing leaders for many years over Tony Blair in 2005. The people should decide (Libertarianism aka Thatcherism) which is the opposite to Marxism (the left) and Facism (the extreme right).

You say an 'investment' but where is the investment in this? - why should the state take my money and give it to something that I have no interest in and which many others do not have interest in?. As for the country uniting, yes it will just as it did in 1979 which saw the end of a disasterous left wing government which has met its match in this one. The cirus was around during Roman Times from what I have read and as we know (or should know) the Roman Empire extended across Europe and thus is a European culture, not a British one. Even if it does have its revival roots in Britain, that still doesnt address the point that; a) most people dont even attend the circus and b) why should everyone be taxed for something they do not even have an interest in? - you call me colonial yet are hanging onto the idea of a circus being British which is from 1768 - times have changed i'm afraid.

There is a simple concept here that i'm getting at which is this; if you want to visit the circus then pay for it with your own money. If you want to do hip hop then pay for it with your own money - agree or disagree?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

If course you are entitled to your opinion and I never said you were not - I am challenging your opinion just as you often challenge mine. As for part of our culture; I have never known anyone or heard of anyone who visits the circus often or even is an avid fan of hip hop and i'm seriously wondering whether you have. If anything in regards to my views i'm very libertarian in my methods and right wing in my views, as is the majority of England which voted for Michael Howard who was one of the most right wing leaders for many years over Tony Blair in 2005. The people should decide (Libertarianism aka Thatcherism) which is the opposite to Marxism (the left) and Facism (the extreme right).

You say an 'investment' but where is the investment in this? - why should the state take my money and give it to something that I have no interest in and which many others do not have interest in?. As for the country uniting, yes it will just as it did in 1979 which saw the end of a disasterous left wing government which has met its match in this one. The cirus was around during Roman Times from what I have read and as we know (or should know) the Roman Empire extended across Europe and thus is a European culture, not a British one. Even if it does have its revival roots in Britain, that still doesnt address the point that; a) most people dont even attend the circus and b) why should everyone be taxed for something they do not even have an interest in? - you call me colonial yet are hanging onto the idea of a circus being British which is from 1768 - times have changed i'm afraid.

There is a simple concept here that i'm getting at which is this; if you want to visit the circus then pay for it with your own money. If you want to do hip hop then pay for it with your own money - agree or disagree?

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Circus's still remain a very popular family tradition in this counry but that's not what the thread is about - it is about EU wasting money and I will not be forced to answer your question. I don't have to and just because I don't doesn't mean you are right it just means that I do not agree with your tactics to try to prove a pont that is meaningless within the serious subject of EU waste.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Circus's still remain a very popular family tradition in this counry but that's not what the thread is about - it is about EU wasting money and I will not be forced to answer your question. I don't have to and just because I don't doesn't mean you are right it just means that I do not agree with your tactics to try to prove a pont that is meaningless within the serious subject of EU waste.

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The circus is not a very popular tradition in this country, I dont know any people who go the circus often or at all even and infact i'm not even sure whether i've been to one myself to think about it - do you?

Of course because you dont want to answer my question doesnt mean I am right about it, but it means that I know you have little to back your view up on it which is a good sign to me if i'm honest. It'd be nice to hear your actual view but I get the gist that you agree with it but refuse to debate it. You said it was a good investment, I asked how it was a good investment and I get no response - and to think i've been accused in the past of not backing my views up.