UKIP candidate suspended over racist comments

In reply to a few people about 'people have a right to be angry about what labour has done to this country'...

Virtually all the other parties would be just as useless.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No i'm sorry I do not dodge topics, I often end up asking you for a straight reply over and over again in debates to which you never seem to reply. So i'm glad your now getting involed in the immigration debate for once so i'll reply now; [B]visas exist so people would not be prevented from coming here for a job over the 5-year freeze.

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So what are people who come in on 'visas' to work called Dan? They are called immigrants.:P Again they need to word their statements more carefully.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No i'm sorry I do not dodge topics, I often end up asking you for a straight reply over and over again in debates to which you never seem to reply. So i'm glad your now getting involed in the immigration debate for once so i'll reply now; visas exist so people would not be prevented from coming here for a job over the 5-year freeze.

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So am I right in saying that you believe that you want to still allow people to come to this country and find a job in the next 5 years?

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

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So what are people who come in on 'visas' to work called Dan? They are called immigrants.:P Again they need to word their statements more carefully.

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Exactly so I am a little confused as to what he really wants. Wonder if he is even sure himself...

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

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So what are people who come in on 'visas' to work called Dan? They are called immigrants.:P Again they need to word their statements more carefully.

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According to Jordy who i've just spoke to about it, it depends on the visa. The visa for working is not classed as immigration as they are not settled in the United Kingdom. For example Austrialia has a strict immigration policy but allows workers to commute if need be to the country but not settle as it is an entirely seperate issue.

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So am I right in saying that you believe that you want to still allow people to come to this country and find a job in the next 5 years?

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I want to allow people to come and work in this country but not allow them to settle here on a permanent basis for the time being while we sort out the immigration system which is being abused and is out of control.

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Originally Posted by Jayme

Age has nothing to do with it, im 17, i can vote next year - i know whats wrong and right with my community at this time.
The labour party, as far as i can see, has done nothing to help my area, which is one of the worst in the country, so should be top of the list to help out?
What ill say to you Dander sir, is write a letter to Mr Brown and ask him to help out Middlesbrough, then ill have faith in the labour party.
And i do see the positives about labour, such as the amount of money my mother gets from child support and child tax credit, for being a single mother, that money helps out alot, i applaud labour for that.

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What makes you think Tories / Lib Dems / UKIP / BNP etc would fix this issue?

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I want to allow people to come and work in this country but not allow them to settle here on a permanent basis for the time being while we sort out the immigration system which is being abused and is out of control.

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Why not? You need 5 years to fix the issue and permanent residency requires that the person stay for 4 years. So in about 4 years, you should almost have the issue resolved. Meaning, you can still allow people in and let them settle in as by the time they have lived here for 4 years, the immigration issue would have been nearly solved.

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Originally Posted by Dander

What makes you think Tories / Lib Dems / UKIP / BNP etc would fix this issue?

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Because the parties you have listed (except the Liberal Democrats) traditonally stand for lower taxes across the board thus helping the lower end of the scale especially.

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Why not? You need 5 years to fix the issue and permanent residency requires that the person stay for 4 years. So in about 4 years, you should almost have the issue resolved. Meaning, you can still allow people in and let them settle in as by the time they have lived here for 4 years, the immigration issue would have been nearly solved.

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The reason being because those who are coming here now would be settling under the flawed rules we have now, meaning that it would be adding to the problem whereas a 5-year freeze would allow for a new system to be set up which only allows those who conform to British needs into the country.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Because the parties you have listed (except the Liberal Democrats) traditonally stand for lower taxes across the board thus helping the lower end of the scale especially.

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Labour: # A commitment not to raise any of the rates of income tax and not to extend VAT to food, children's clothes, books, newspapers and public transport fares

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The reason being because those who are coming here now would be settling under the flawed rules we have now, meaning that it would be adding to the problem whereas a 5-year freeze would allow for a new system to be set up which only allows those who conform to British needs into the country.

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I don't understand how having to live here for 4 years before becoming a permanent residence is flawed? and please explain what exactly you mean by "conform to British needs".
To me it sounds like "if you aren't going to help us make more money, sod off". What happened to having Britain as a multi-cultural country?

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Originally Posted by Dander

Labour: # A commitment not to raise any of the rates of income tax and not to extend VAT to food, children's clothes, books, newspapers and public transport fares

I don't understand how having to live here for 4 years before becoming a permanent residence is flawed? and please explain what exactly you mean by "conform to British needs".
To me it sounds like "if you aren't going to help us make more money, sod off". What happened to having Britain as a multi-cultural country?

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Does that pledge include national insurance, fuel prices and various other stealth taxes - I didnt think so.

On the second part, because the system at the moment is flawed let me give you an example. UKIP make government tommorow and an immigrant applies for settlement in this country despite the fact we are not in need of his skills (if he has any), if UKIP did not freeze the system instantly on gaining office then that would mean many like him would end up gaining access to the country and thus destroying the whole point of introducing a new immigration system while deporting those who do not work, those who commit crime and those who are extremists.

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if you aren't going to help us make more money, sod off

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Yes, thats what every other country does. I dont care whether your black, brown, green or yellow - if you are going to come here and make money thus benefitting the country then you are as welcome as hell to come here, if you are not and intend to survive on the pockets of the British taxpayer then you can sod off because at the end of the day if you are of no use to my country then you are not welcome and its the same system/line of thought in every other country around the world.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Does that pledge include national insurance, fuel prices and various other stealth taxes - I didnt think so.

On the second part, because the system at the moment is flawed let me give you an example. UKIP make government tommorow and an immigrant applies for settlement in this country despite the fact we are not in need of his skills (if he has any), if UKIP did not freeze the system instantly on gaining office then that would mean many like him would end up gaining access to the country and thus destroying the whole point of introducing a new immigration system while deporting those who do not work, those who commit crime and those who are extremists.

Yes, thats what every other country does. I dont care whether your black, brown, green or yellow - if you are going to come here and make money thus benefitting the country then you are as welcome as hell to come here, if you are not and intend to survive on the pockets of the British taxpayer then you can sod off because at the end of the day if you are of no use to my country then you are not welcome and its the same system/line of thought in every other country around the world.

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A lot of British people are of no use to your country. They sit on their lazy asses and do nothing all day and survive on other peoples pockets too. Shall we kick them out too? If no, then why not? Its the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Dander

A lot of British people are of no use to your country. They sit on their lazy asses and do nothing all day and survive on other peoples pockets too. Shall we kick them out too? If no, then why not? Its the same thing.

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No but we do not need more useless lazy people as we have enough already, like you say.