Where did Catzsy say that? She is quite rightly saying that there is a difference between saying "I don't like gingers" and "Execute all gays", similarly there is a difference between saying "I don't like gays" and "Execute all gingers". There are different levels of discrimination and if someone says "Execute all gingers", whilst of course being serious, then they obviously deserve to be punished in a similar manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
So why not just outright outlaw all forms of offensive/threatening language?Quote:
Originally Posted by qaxzsw
Is this the 'Liberal' 'Democrat' talking?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPinkPanther
While you are more consistent in saying you would punish on the gingers point whereas Rosie it appears was not, I must ask; why do you feel free speech should be outlawed? where have you got the impression that people have got a right not to be offended?
The line is drawn from violence, words on the other hand do not cause harm hence do not need to be outlawed.
They do cause harm, they hurt people and can cause offence. It's not banning freedom of speech, it's using freedom of speech responsibly. With Freedom of Speech comes responsibility and if they are going to abuse it they should be punished!Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
And surely being responsible means accepting people have differing opinions to those of your own, to ban them is the irresponsible act.Quote:
Originally Posted by qaxzsw
No, it's accepting that there's a difference between a difference in opinion, and an inappropriate opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
An inappropriate opinion? and who decides that then? ahh thats right, the opinions of others who disagree with that opinion. When you have a belief/opinion you will almost always think the other side is wrong and has a flawed argument - hence why we have opinions and debates.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
If you feel an opinion is wrong, then debate it and destroy it - if you cant, then you reassess your own opinions.
And that kids, is liberty.
I completely agree with Catzsy, there is no problem whatsoever with people having their own opinions, free speech and all that - but when they start handing out leaflets to the public, I feel as if it's being taken too far and there should be consequences for their actions. This isn't me speaking as a gay male, because my opinion would be exactly the same on any other kind of discrimination such as racism. Fair enough have your own opinions - but broadcasting them so wide-scale and so publicly isn't right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
The majority of a societies ethics and morals decides that Dan. That could have something to do with how most people in ours hate Nazis, genocides, serial killers and all that bad stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Well sure, thats an opinion - but what would you say to the opinion that homosexuality should be done behind closed doors? see, you'd rightly say that if you live in a free country you should be allowed to exercise maximum personal liberty. And while it is not on the same level as calling for people [homosexuals] to be executed, again - you hold that to be a serious extreme opinion as do most people. But the people calling for this may see homosexuality as an extreme which needs to be stomped out.Quote:
Originally Posted by hysteria
Therefore again, you come back to opinions being simply that, opinions - one side should not be outlawed.
Indeed, and thats fine - debate them all we can if we disagree with them and if we are right as most of us think, then we will beat them in arguments and debates and will continue to until the end of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
Why ban an opinion which will not make people think again, when you can debate it and make people rethink their stance?
Because as history has taught us sometimes groups act on their opinions, before you have enough time to change their stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-