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07-02-2011, 09:46 PM
Conservative,

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

If a person has been management or senior on other fansites, that's nice to know and good for them in my opinion. You have to show your dedication and how much work you can do and what not while you are working for Habbox. Not while you worked for any other fansite, as that dedication could of dropped between them going from Fansite A to Fansite B.

But that takes time. And people have been saying it shouldn't be based on time? Lol. Of course dedication is part of it, but that takes time to prove - you can't be "dedicated" after 1 week. That might just be a show to try and impress.

As I said, you have to get a balance - experience, dedication and skill. Experience - pretty easy to find out, ask people, or get them to apply. Dedication - again easy, just watch people, how much they help out in the department etc. Skill - again easy to monitor - watch their activity, how good they do their job etc.

I think it's unfair to put people ahead of other people because they were good before. It's not then, it's now. It CAN work, but leaving is just showing a LACK of dedication in my opinion - unless leaving for family matters, it shows they couldn't be bothered to find the time or effort to put into habbox.
07-02-2011, 09:47 PM
Inseriousity.

I never said they were found on the streets. If we're going with this analogy, from the word go, managers should be training up potential seniors etc, giving them the soup, clean clothes, bed and Big Issues to sell that they need to be a good worker. This isn't always possible and I did say in my first post that this wasn't always possible (especially with mass resignations in "exams month(s)").

Also, discounting facts normally ends up with stupid policies but I'll not get into that.
07-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Grig

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conservative,

But that takes time. And people have been saying it shouldn't be based on time? Lol. Of course dedication is part of it, but that takes time to prove - you can't be "dedicated" after 1 week. That might just be a show to try and impress.

As I said, you have to get a balance - experience, dedication and skill. Experience - pretty easy to find out, ask people, or get them to apply. Dedication - again easy, just watch people, how much they help out in the department etc. Skill - again easy to monitor - watch their activity, how good they do their job etc.

I think it's unfair to put people ahead of other people because they were good before. It's not then, it's now. It CAN work, but leaving is just showing a LACK of dedication in my opinion - unless leaving for family matters, it shows they couldn't be bothered to find the time or effort to put into habbox.

People leaving is not a lack of it. In hindsight, people leave for exams, health reasons, family reasons, because they need a break and many more. These are all valid reasons and it is absolutely wrong and unjust to say, this bloke has left, so he has no dedication to Habbox (despite maybe that person putting in tireless and countless of hours in the past, working blood, sweat and tears).
07-02-2011, 09:50 PM
xxMATTGxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conservative,

But that takes time. And people have been saying it shouldn't be based on time? Lol. Of course dedication is part of it, but that takes time to prove - you can't be "dedicated" after 1 week. That might just be a show to try and impress.

As I said, you have to get a balance - experience, dedication and skill. Experience - pretty easy to find out, ask people, or get them to apply. Dedication - again easy, just watch people, how much they help out in the department etc. Skill - again easy to monitor - watch their activity, how good they do their job etc.

I think it's unfair to put people ahead of other people because they were good before. It's not then, it's now. It CAN work, but leaving is just showing a LACK of dedication in my opinion - unless leaving for family matters, it shows they couldn't be bothered to find the time or effort to put into habbox.

Quote:

But that takes time. And people have been saying it shouldn't be based on time? Lol. Of course dedication is part of it, but that takes time to prove - you can't be "dedicated" after 1 week. That might just be a show to try and impress.

You say it takes time, yes It can take time. But if that member isn't willing to put time in then maybe they shouldn't really deserve the higher up role. I'm sorry but we shouldn't start hiring people into management/senior/head roles because they have simply worked for other fansites, they should show they are willing to commit their time and put dedication into their role while with Habbox. People leaving doesn't mean they lack dedication at all, everyone has their own reasons why they leave their role at Habbox. So because Oli left, means he lacked dedication? Of course not.
07-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Shar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conservative,

But that takes time. And people have been saying it shouldn't be based on time? Lol. Of course dedication is part of it, but that takes time to prove - you can't be "dedicated" after 1 week. That might just be a show to try and impress.

As I said, you have to get a balance - experience, dedication and skill. Experience - pretty easy to find out, ask people, or get them to apply. Dedication - again easy, just watch people, how much they help out in the department etc. Skill - again easy to monitor - watch their activity, how good they do their job etc.

I think it's unfair to put people ahead of other people because they were good before. It's not then, it's now. It CAN work, but leaving is just showing a LACK of dedication in my opinion - unless leaving for family matters, it shows they couldn't be bothered to find the time or effort to put into habbox.

Say a random person came from another fansite with lots of experience, they show dedication in a week and get promoted to a senior position like a manager's very quickly and then they abuse their privileges as a manager.
I agree its about dedication but its also about trust.
07-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Mr-Trainor

I personally feel that it should be based on who is best of the job; who the management think will do a better job and perform to the highest level possible.

I definitely do not feel that promotions should just go to who ever has been 'waiting' for the longest duration. The longest amount of time is not always related to the highest level of potential in a higher position. The decision is up to management and they will always do what they feel is best.
07-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Callum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conservative,

But that takes time. And people have been saying it shouldn't be based on time? Lol. Of course dedication is part of it, but that takes time to prove - you can't be "dedicated" after 1 week. That might just be a show to try and impress.

As I said, you have to get a balance - experience, dedication and skill. Experience - pretty easy to find out, ask people, or get them to apply. Dedication - again easy, just watch people, how much they help out in the department etc. Skill - again easy to monitor - watch their activity, how good they do their job etc.

I think it's unfair to put people ahead of other people because they were good before. It's not then, it's now. It CAN work, but leaving is just showing a LACK of dedication in my opinion - unless leaving for family matters, it shows they couldn't be bothered to find the time or effort to put into habbox.

You're putting everything as 'easy' when it's obviously far from it. You've got to moniter everything carefully, and as much as some people don't like it, the best thing for Habbox always has to come first which is obviously down to the managers choice.

Yeah i'm kinda jumping fences a bit, but it all comes down to Habbox.
07-02-2011, 09:52 PM
Conservative,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

I never said they were found on the streets. If we're going with this analogy, from the word go, managers should be training up potential seniors etc, giving them the soup, clean clothes, bed and Big Issues to sell that they need to be a good worker. This isn't always possible and I did say in my first post that this wasn't always possible (especially with mass resignations in "exams month(s)").

Also, discounting facts normally ends up with stupid policies but I'll not get into that.

Agreed lol.

I'm just going to say finally, I think more thought should be put into promotions. I'm not saying managers just go "I like him/her - *gives them Senior*" at all, but I think the fact that so many people are brought back straight in at the top shows a lack of effort by managers to try and find out who would be good in their existing department.

Obviously bringing people back can work, but not always, and I think you need to give new people a chance.

For example; England have a fairly stable football team, we've got good players who have played for a long time, but if we never tried (for example) Joe Hart instead of Robert Green - we'd never know he was better. Robert Green is a decent player (except for his world cup slip up - which shows old staff aren't always the best to use) and sure, he's earned his place, but if you give Joe Hart a chance, he'll take it with both hands and do everything he can to keep his place (Rob Green being Ex-Seniors, Joe Hart being current staff willing to take Senior).
07-02-2011, 09:54 PM
Mathew

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shar

Say a random person came from another fansite with lots of experience, they show dedication in a week and get promoted to a senior position like a manager's very quickly and then they abuse their privileges as a manager.
I agree its about dedication but its also about trust.

Then people would complain it's unfair when people come from other sites and instantly get to the top, ignoring everyone else who was at Habbox in the first place. You just can't win! :P
07-02-2011, 09:55 PM
Conservative,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shar

Say a random person came from another fansite with lots of experience, they show dedication in a week and get promoted to a senior position like a manager's very quickly and then they abuse their privileges as a manager.
I agree its about dedication but its also about trust.

That's exactly what I just said? Lol. You may be experienced and show good dedication but you need to be trusted and skilled. You may be skilled and dedicated, but you need experience. You may be experienced and skilled, but you need to show dedication.

it's like the three sides of promotion:

Experience
Skill Dedication

take one away, and you shouldn't have a promotion.

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