Do you think pornography is acceptable?

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

So you're saying that women who reveal themselves to men for money for cash, are better than them? Yeah, nice job there.

I honestly don't see how I have a sexist attitude. Lots of teenage boys are being brought up with the image in their heads that women are there as part of the furniture, an object. As someone who will do anything for a bit of dosh.

Have you seen the producers of lesbian porn? Who are the people that pay them to get saucy in front of a camera?

Would you not agree that women should be running for bigger and better academic roles in society than taking an "easy" route in life and bowing down to what many would call male supremacy?

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women should be entitled to do what they like, why you feel that everyone in porn is forced to make porn or is unhappy making porn is up to you. because it's not like that at all. if someone CHOOSES to make porn, then it's their bed and they will lie in it. i don't think it's abusive if yr agreeing to make it.

and yeah i do think the woman involved is better than the man watching. that woman is sitting there doing something that most people do at home for nothing and getting money for it, and the man still thinks he's exploiting the woman by "making" her do these things. a lot of women in porn are very very clever, and they know what they're doing.

and on yr final point. i am of the belief that people should be who they want to be and not strive to be something people expect them to be. if people want to aim to be a pornstar, then that's fine by me.

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Originally Posted by Publicised

and on yr final point. i am of the belief that people should be who they want to be and not strive to be something people expect them to be. if people want to aim to be a pornstar, then that's fine by me.

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Fully agree. It can be quite a good business for the professional porn stars, but for the majority of porn stars it's very bad money. £200 per session is very lousy and the social stigma attached to pornography leaves a lot to be desired by the tax man and friends/family. If you strive to be a pornstar then good on you, but for the ones that do it because they're in debt or have very little money, you're doomed and may as well not do it and seek alternative arrangements.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Fully agree. It can be quite a good business for the professional porn stars, but for the majority of porn stars it's very bad money. £200 per session is very lousy and the social stigma attached to pornography leaves a lot to be desired by the tax man and friends/family. If you strive to be a pornstar then good on you, but for the ones that do it because they're in debt or have very little money, you're doomed and may as well not do it and seek alternative arrangements.

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the problem is a lot of these people who are in debt haven't researched the industry and enter and basically find themselves a very small fish in an ocean. then these are the people who sell their stories to newspapers and this is how everyone forms the opinion that pornography is a dirty trade, where no-one is treated well and everyone is abused.
it's not like that at all.

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Originally Posted by Publicised

the problem is a lot of these people who are in debt haven't researched the industry and enter and basically find themselves a very small fish in an ocean. then these are the people who sell their stories to newspapers and this is how everyone forms the opinion that pornography is a dirty trade, where no-one is treated well and everyone is abused.
it's not like that at all.

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Indeed, it's actually well thought through. If anything the only bad thing about the industry is the porn stars, with many like you said, being uneducated and blissfully unaware of the industry when they enter. I've not heard of many selling their stories though, many try to keep it secret as it's embarassing and they get a heck of a lot of abuse from people around them, especially enemies which interestly many porn stars have. I refer to my arrogant, selfish and emotionless points about the people I've known who have turned to porn :P

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Indeed, it's actually well thought through. If anything the only bad thing about the industry is the porn stars, with many like you said, being uneducated and blissfully unaware of the industry when they enter. I've not heard of many selling their stories though, many try to keep it secret as it's embarassing and they get a heck of a lot of abuse from people around them, especially enemies which interestly many porn stars have. I refer to my arrogant, selfish and emotionless points about the people I've known who have turned to porn :P

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if you read those really bad real life magazines (chat/pickmeup/real lives etc.etc.) there's nearly a story every week about a porn experiment gone wrong and some woman talking about how porn ruined her life. i dunno about the pornstar friends argument though, i have a couple of friends who work on those tv phonelines? where men ring in? and they're pretty much the same people they ever were, except they do far less work than the rest of us and earn far more.

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Originally Posted by Publicised

if you read those really bad real life magazines (chat/pickmeup/real lives etc.etc.) there's nearly a story every week about a porn experiment gone wrong and some woman talking about how porn ruined her life. i dunno about the pornstar friends argument though, i have a couple of friends who work on those tv phonelines? where men ring in? and they're pretty much the same people they ever were, except they do far less work than the rest of us and earn far more.

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Hmm, perhaps it a gender difference? The only friends I had which turned to porn were all male, and they starred in it. It completely changed them, and made them a bit feckless, cold and selfish. Never been so disappointed in any individual before, and to be honest they deserved to be mocked with their attitude. It's a poor life move to move to porn when you have enemies or a poor personality to begin with. Also, those magazines are only really good for putting down on the floor so a pet doesn't make a mess on what's underneath :P

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Originally Posted by Publicised

women should be entitled to do what they like, why you feel that everyone in porn is forced to make porn or is unhappy making porn is up to you. because it's not like that at all. if someone CHOOSES to make porn, then it's their bed and they will lie in it. i don't think it's abusive if yr agreeing to make it.

and yeah i do think the woman involved is better than the man watching. that woman is sitting there doing something that most people do at home for nothing and getting money for it, and the man still thinks he's exploiting the woman by "making" her do these things. a lot of women in porn are very very clever, and they know what they're doing.

and on yr final point. i am of the belief that people should be who they want to be and not strive to be something people expect them to be. if people want to aim to be a pornstar, then that's fine by me.

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This "yr" thing is getting very annoying, but oh well

I agree people should be entitled to do what they like - I haven't said anything different

Surely if the women in porn are so clever, they can go out and do something with their lives? Don't tell me being on the cover of nuts is getting somewhere in life, it isn't.

All im saying it it isn't a very good role model that porn stars/tv stars/music stars are portraying of what women should grow up to be.

I think P!NK is a very clever artist in the sense that she addresses some of these issues in her songs...

All the half naked women that appear on pop videos every day are sort of sending out the message that young girls should be more revealing to men, that they shouldn't go out and pursue an amazing career in life and instead do whatever is necessary to make money...

My thoughts only.

To be frank I think half the problem with this debate, and the reason it even came up, is because the OP is currently not at a stage where he has any attraction to individuals and has no interest in sex or what comes with it (ie. porn etc.) and therefore has convinced himself of the attitude that all porn is terrible and should be deleted from the world.

As I say - it would be interesting to fast forward ten years and see what his opinion is then.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

To be frank I think half the problem with this debate, and the reason it even came up, is because the OP is currently not at a stage where he has any attraction to individuals and has no interest in sex or what comes with it (ie. porn etc.) and therefore has convinced himself of the attitude that all porn is terrible and should be deleted from the world.

As I say - it would be interesting to fast forward ten years and see what his opinion is then.

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Many find pornography and the sic,k sex-obsessed culture we live in as disturbing, including myself.

Not all of us have fallen to the cultural revolutionaries.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Many find pornography and the sic,k sex-obsessed culture we live in as disturbing, including myself.

Not all of us have fallen to the cultural revolutionaries.

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I completely agree - many people understandably disagree with the pornography industry for a multitude of reasons - all of which are understandable and acceptable.

However, if you read my post I was actually referring to the original poster, and it is of my personal opinion that although he may hold these opinions now that the porn industry is sick and vile and some mass ban should be issued on it - I feel that his opinion may change in the future when he does become more physically attracted to others and perhaps begins to feel sexual stimulation towards them.

I may be wrong, but this is in my opinion in regards to the original poster - I never once stated that all of society are the same and that you or anyone else had not escaped the "sick sex obsessed culture".