REPUTATION OR LIKE SYSTEM

Just saw something above about how new users will never get to rep powers higher than older users if both are being repped. That's true and therefore a benefit of capping the reputation power which is part of my suggestion above - gives a fair advantage to new users and doesn't put them off when seeing all the high rep powers. When I went on to other Habbo fansite forums I'd never used before and saw people with ridiculously high rep powers it did make me feel a bit.. useless? Can't think of a better word :L, but basically I wouldn't be surprised if it makes people less likely to stick around on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

The tokens/credit idea is pretty much a great idea. Rep in competitions and events is so, so pointless. Why enter a competition where you could get 25/50/100 rep, if you are picked from the 10/20/30 people that enter - when you can just make a half decent joke and get 150 rep points :P

The only reason to reduce rep power is to keep the system somewhat manageable. Right now it looks like FJ is doubly as awesome as everyone single else, and whilst he probably is, soon he'll be madly high :P

All that needs adjusting is the 'Every 400 rep points = 1 rep power' changing to 800-1000 or something.

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My argument here though is that that is how it should be. I wouldn't call it pointless because every little helps and my experience as comps manager showed me that newer members seemed to prefer building their rep through comps/events rather than posting a joke that has little chance of being recognised by those with the higher rep power. I'd be against increasing it, I think 400 is enough. Sure maybe FJ will be madly high one day but increasing it just means new members will be increasingly low. Ultimately it should always be more beneficial to get rep through posting than through official comps/events because obviously we want people posting and there are other prizes to bulk up comps/events! I still agree with the tokens/credits idea because of what I said but I'd also add rep as a prize to replace it not being used in comps/events. I'd also do it at a low level as well so people might get a bit too impatient and waste their tokens on that rather than saving up to get credits.

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Originally Posted by Mr-Trainor

I said this somewhere recently I think but can't remember where - I think it was in managers group. I'd like a Like system, but at the same time I'd like to keep rep. I think if there was a way to change the current reputation button in to two separate buttons, one for like and one for dislike - and then a red counter added to show dislikes/-reps like the current green one. And then on top of this, lower rep powers (by a lot - maybe cap rep power at 5 or something) and then remove limits so we can +/- as much as we want.

Alternatively, enforce limits but only for these:
- liking/disliking the same person a lot
- disliking a lot
i wouldn't personally put a limit on liking loads of posts. And the reason I suggested lowering rep power so dramatically is that it'd mean we could have the least limits possible while still keeping the system fair. Then remove the reporting reputation as it'd be unnecessary and maybe let everyone see who liked/disliked their posts.

Sorry this is a rushed post and I haven't had time to read the responses prior to this, but basically what I'm suggesting (again) if a system which reforms the rep system in to something with resembles more of a like system whilst keeping all our current rep points :).

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I disagree with having both systems personally, as I think it will make one redundant.

I would be happy with either system - as long as old members do not lose everything they have essentially earned over the years!

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

So keep all rep so far but everyone's rep power is set and stuck to 1... cool good luck anyone who wants to catch up with me in future

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No... Count reputation as amount of reps received rather than points received. Keeps the highly repped users above everyone else as they should be and means that you and the few others with ~40-60+ rep don't have the ability to have such an influence on the reputation of the lower users. Essentially removal of reputation as a currency.

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Originally Posted by Marketing

This does seem a good idea.. just add to the post bit who repped what post.

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Some people like the privacy of rep though, especially when it's negative.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I would prefer a rep system with rep power being scaled back down again.


I wouldn't be against a like system if it included dislikes however.

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Definitely needs dislikes!

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Originally Posted by Marketing

Made the poll - would you want a like system to start a fresh, or include old reputation (+/- reps)?


The thing is with rep, we will still have a reasonable amount, as we've been here for a long time (so got 1 point per year we have been members), and also posted a lot. I think they should stay the same - it should just be more points per rep power or something.

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Agreed with it staying the same if rep remains as it is.

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Originally Posted by David

i hope this thread doesnt change @Chris;s mind about installing the like system anyway.

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He said he wants a like system but won't because of all the people who want to keep their rep, right?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

A new system would have to have some sort of transfer with regards to rep. It can't just be scrapped.


I've got a super cool idea that just might work though!


We introduce a like system where we can like and dislike each others posts. Each person gets a sort of 'Like power', so a more well established user has more influence on the like rating than a newer user. And we could transfer rep power over to this new system, so nobody misses out. And say if somebody dislikes a post, it only takes off half the like power so it doesn't lead to abuse. And maybe a users like power should increase by 1 for every 2,500 posts, for every 400 likes they get and for every year they are on the forum for? That sounds like a great system!

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Agreed with first sentence. As for the bottom part, sounds similar to what I had in mind too :P.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

The rep points from competition has little to no impact on rep power really.

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Agreed, surely tokens should be given instead of rep anyway :S.

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Originally Posted by Marketing

Events rep etc makes barely any difference on rep - but I do think tokens should be given instead, as they have a more practical use.

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Beat me to it :P.

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Originally Posted by sex

ye i always seen that as a problem but thats events problem not an issue with rep

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

I think I'd prefer a like system where rep is converted into likes!

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Assuming you mean existing rep, I definitely agree. I wouldn't want to see all the reputation comments and everything I've received suddenly removed!

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Originally Posted by Marketing

I disagree with having both systems personally, as I think it will make one redundant.


I would be happy with either system - as long as old members do not lose everything they have essentially earned over the years!

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My suggestion will only leave one system :P? (A reformed version of the current rep system).

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Originally Posted by Kyle

No... Count reputation as amount of reps received rather than points received. Keeps the highly repped users above everyone else as they should be and means that you and the few others with ~40-60+ rep don't have the ability to have such an influence on the reputation of the lower users. Essentially removal of reputation as a currency.

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Having disparity actually makes it better for newer or otherwise less repped users though - if someone with 1 rep power reps me and I rep them back they essentially come off 73 times as well as I have, and they progress at 73 times the speed I do. Without higher rep powers there's realistically no way to catch up without some heavy abuse of the system

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Having disparity actually makes it better for newer or otherwise less repped users though - if someone with 1 rep power reps me and I rep them back they essentially come off 73 times as well as I have, and they progress at 73 times the speed I do. Without higher rep powers there's realistically no way to catch up without some heavy abuse of the system

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True, but then again I don't think I can remember a time when someone has repped me back for repping them :P. And anyway, one +rep wouldn't really do anything to their rep power unless other people repped them too.

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Originally Posted by Mr-Trainor

True, but then again I don't think I can remember a time when someone has repped me back for repping them :P. And anyway, one +rep wouldn't really do anything to their rep power unless other people repped them too.

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I occasionally sort of do - but that is often more because if a member reps me, the chances are we agree with each other and therefore their post is also going down my line of thought.

I would say I am pretty liberal with my usage of rep anyway, though.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Having disparity actually makes it better for newer or otherwise less repped users though - if someone with 1 rep power reps me and I rep them back they essentially come off 73 times as well as I have, and they progress at 73 times the speed I do. Without higher rep powers there's realistically no way to catch up without some heavy abuse of the system

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and if they -rep or make a comment that you might disagree with they are met with the possibility of being set back down a few pegs, whereas if everybody's rep power was 1 ((total rep received still displayed so respected status is maintained)) then it would no longer be a case of newer users having to pander to the older ones to climb the reputation ladder in a swift enough manner to keep up with the rest.

It's not necessarily a bad thing that people won't be able to catch up to you. You have been here for 7+ years and earned your rep over that time, if people really want to get on the same level then they should be expected to spend as much time making quality posts.

Revenge rep isn't allowed and the only people who I've seen do it in recent years are those with little to no rep power anyway. Also never noticed new users sucking up to old ones to try getting rep power.

I think people advocating a like system need to decide which it is - an unrestricted feature which only serves to show which individual posts are liked (in which case it's unnecessary because +rep already shows, just maybe needs a tweak so there's list of people who repped it if possible) or a replacement score system attempting to level things out for some vague reason (in which case making it unrestricted makes it ridiculously abusable and somewhat pointless, and having it restricted in the same way rep currently is makes it somewhat abusable and ridiculously pointless). Either way it's not an idea that is needed or has an actual benefit to anyone, but if it's seriously going to be debated then those who want it should at least state what they want it to be