JCB company owner and chief executive both back British exit from the EU

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Originally Posted by The Don

Lmao you can't even keep track of your own conversation, this is embarrassing.

1. You said that they didn't act on their threats about leaving the uk if we didn't join the eurozone so why should we believe their threats about leaving if we withdraw from the EU.

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No my dear, that would be you as you still haven't answered the question.

The question being why do you believe a British exit from the EU would be so damaging to trade given the UK's economic weight/WTO?

And the same question could be put to Nissan, Toyota and Branson.. of which they have not answered. Instead they trade in scaremongering pap like you do that Great Britain would be 'isolated' and 'alone' if it left the European Union or single market. No facts of which can be produced to support this just as they could not be produced fifteen years ago when the same guilty men were demanding we join the Euro upon pain of economic death.

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Originally Posted by The Don

I answered this by saying that joining the eurozone is completely different to leaving the EU and the latter could have an affect on their businesses.

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Indeed, they claim it could gravely affect their businesses... just like they did fifteen years ago.

If I needed a Doctor or a Lawyer for something important I would look at their track record. And your side's track record on this is appalling.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No my dear, that would be you as you still haven't answered the question.

The question being why do you believe a British exit from the EU would be so damaging to trade given the UK's economic weight/WTO?

And the same question could be put to Nissan, Toyota and Branson.. of which they have not answered. Instead they trade in scaremongering pap like you do that Great Britain would be 'isolated' and 'alone' if it left the European Union or single market. No facts of which can be produced to support this just as they could not be produced fifteen years ago when the same guilty men were demanding we join the Euro upon pain of economic death.



Indeed, they claim it could gravely affect their businesses... just like they did fifteen years ago.

If I needed a Doctor or a Lawyer for something important I would look at their track record. And your side's track record on this is appalling.

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JCB may think it's good to leave the EU but there are plenty of businesses and entrepreneurs that think it would be a disaster.

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Originally Posted by The Don

JCB may think it's good to leave the EU but there are plenty of businesses and entrepreneurs that think it would be a disaster.

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And vice versa.

But again you haven't told me how this disaster would come about other than you 'think' it would.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

And vice versa.

But again you haven't told me how this disaster would come about other than you 'think' it would.

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In the same way that you 'think' ​it wouldn't....

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

For the simple reason that having one parliament assembly and a Commission which proposes legislation (and isn't elected) is easier to lobby than 28 separate parliaments some of which may have pesky national voters who get in the way. The European Union may have rules against lobbying just as it has rules against overspending, government deficits and fraud: but that does not mean those rules are always followed. On a national level, if I feel my government has been influenced too heavily by a corporation then I can do something about it whereas on a EU level I cannot. I am sure some good judgements have come from the EU on competition, just as bad ones have come from the British government. The underlying reason why these large corporations support the European project though is simple: it's a matter of I will scratch your back if you scratch mine. It's about exercising power and the EU is great for them in regards to that: I have read countless examples which I will have to find again for the coming months of how certain companies have gone to the EU with suggestions for regulations over 'environmental' concerns which have been designed purely with the intention of blocking out any start-up rivals.

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This entire paragraph is riddled with conspiracy theories and seems void of reality.

EU competition laws are pro start-up rivals. Large monopolies and organisations that try to segment the market are immediately targeted. There is no evidence of this dark reality that big businesses have a "You scratch my back and I will scratch yours" game-play. On the contrary, Britain is one country which is at the beck and call to large conglomerates and businesses, pushing away start-up rivals. Look at the High Street, banks, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Starbucks. This is one example - the Conservatives will lap-up this revelation by JCB mainly because they are the Conservative and are a large financial donor to the party. So this is incorrect to assume the EU only cares about big businesses. If we followed the mentality of our European friends we would have a return to lovely village shops, local butchers, fishmongers and bakers, and UKIPs favourite local amenity - the British Pub (eroded away by supermarkets selling cheaper booze).

It's one area Europe does so much better than us. We're lazy in this respect. The best thing about going abroad is going to a pub or bar and enjoying the atmosphere, something British pubs do not have anymore because only a few exist and get overcrowded.