Have you ever eat KFC chicken ? Look at this...

I just saw it now thank you.

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Originally Posted by Mentor

appart from a few errors in the film, the fact peta staff are in it actaing, the fact any real farmer woulnt waste time and money being crule to animals, never lown giveing films it it, and the fact they admited it, and clamed athogh it was faluce it wasnt supposed to be real, it was just trhere normal shock propganda to show what could happen (they always have a few spelling mistakes that complty change meanings of sentances, and avoide any clames to real validty, notice how vage what they say actaly is)

take a read http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm if you realy interested

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Ok, maybe the videos are fake. But there still the fact that I'm more informed than you about the vegetarians.

I never had any problem being a vegetarian. Of course, if you do not eat proteans and iron in other food, you will have problems. But someone who is vegetarian and who is eating what he needs won't have any problem, he will maybe even be more healty than someone who isn't vegetarian. You're saying that vegetarians are weak... Are you one ? Do you know how it is ? Do you know if you feel weak ? Where is the proof ? You're saying anything and you don't even know what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by NekkLe

As Mentor has quoted already, deep research shows that this group (PETA) does the opposite of what there campaigning about, the kill innocent animals for no reason I presume.
I'd like to know more about this now we've had a lengthly discussion.

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i woulnt say for nothing, they get millions of sponcering and funding to look after the animals they take in, as well as tax conseesions for being a charity, they take in a few `1000 animals, kill them all, then there more aless millionairs overnight. Its all about the money.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

I never had any problem being a vegetarian. Of course, if you do not eat proteans and iron in other food, you will have problems. But someone who is vegetarian and who is eating what he needs won't have any problem, he will maybe even be more healty than someone who isn't vegetarian.

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Ok, true alot of what i said applyed more to vegans, but the point remains, in the qualty of proteans taken in, wich often causes weekness, a vegarain diet is alos harder to support and gives no real beaaift. True many people say that vegtarinas are more healthy than other people? athogh from my own knolage i find nothing that even remotly supports it.
Other than the fact, vegitarans being vegairan are more cariful what they eat and stick to higher qualty foods rather than alot of the normal junk, wich increases health, yes. But thats only more than someone who lives on junk food, the worlds healthest people, are omnioves, who also eat cairfuly, includeing a practising surgen in china, if i rember rightly who hit the age of 100, nearly a year ago now. keep in mind still practismng, and still looks healther than alot of 50 year olds.

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You're saying that vegetarians are weak... Are you one ? Do you know how it is ? Do you know if you feel weak ? Where is the proof ? You're saying anything and you don't even know what you're talking about.

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less protean, less mustle groth, this is based on both my own exsperinces and evidance.
i did also mean in the phiscal sence.
Exspreine is ive yet to meat a vegiatrn who isnt a aboulte weekling, who can litaral punch you aorund the face without you noticeing (i mean serriosly that week)
Do strengh intencoive jobs even have any vegitarns in them? athleats such as welit lifers? cant think of one. Jobs with alot of manula labor, also cant think of own, at all "/
Athogh i can think of ex vegaitrans who had to give it up since they theslves admited on that diet they were to febal to to the intncive work required "/

I love KFC. Chicken is great!

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Originally Posted by Mentor

i woulnt say for nothing, they get millions of sponcering and funding to look after the animals they take in, as well as tax conseesions for being a charity, they take in a few `1000 animals, kill them all, then there more aless millionairs overnight. Its all about the money.

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Did you see my post ?

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Did you see my post ?

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look up :D

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Ok, maybe the videos are fake. But there still the fact that I'm more informed than you about the vegetarians.

I never had any problem being a vegetarian. Of course, if you do not eat proteans and iron in other food, you will have problems. But someone who is vegetarian and who is eating what he needs won't have any problem, he will maybe even be more healty than someone who isn't vegetarian. You're saying that vegetarians are weak... Are you one ? Do you know how it is ? Do you know if you feel weak ? Where is the proof ? You're saying anything and you don't even know what you're talking about.

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Firstly, you don't have to be a vegetarian to know what its like to be one. Research plays a key factor in this, rather than us slaving around to show you some research, whynot you do any?
Your views about this are obviously oblivious to know what your actually talking about. Humans need a balance of proteins, carbohydrates, iron, vitamins etc... to be healthy. Thats a healthy balanced human diet which if people abided to, we would be healthy.
You choose to be a vegetarian, you were bought up that way, its a rule you follow in life and you choose to live with that. Not eating meat can disadvantage your health obviously, plants may contain irons, proteins etc.. but you'd have to eat a large consumption in order to match what meat contains.

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Originally Posted by Mentor

less protean, less mustle groth, this is based on both my own exsperinces and evidance.
i did also mean in the phiscal sence.
Exspreine is ive yet to meat a vegiatrn who isnt a aboulte weekling, who can litaral punch you aorund the face without you noticeing (i mean serriosly that week)
Do strengh intencoive jobs even have any vegitarns in them? athleats such as welit lifers? cant think of one. Jobs with alot of manula labor, also cant think of own, at all "/
Athogh i can think of ex vegaitrans who had to give it up since they theslves admited on that diet they were to febal to to the intncive work required "/

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Well then, we both saw (felt in my case) different stories. The vegetarian people that you met wasn't eating enough proteans and iron. Then how do you explain that me, my father, my brother and my mother never had any problem being vegetarian ?

Edit : NekkLe, do you have any research to show me to prove your point ?

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Well then, we both saw (felt in my case) different stories. The vegetarian people that you met wasn't eating enough proteans and iron. Then how do you explain that me, my father, my brother and my mother never had any problem being vegetarian ?

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Please read my post :p ^^

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Originally Posted by NekkLe

Please read my post :p ^^

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Look up ;)

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Well then, we both saw (felt in my case) different stories. The vegetarian people that you met wasn't eating enough proteans and iron. Then how do you explain that me, my father, my brother and my mother never had any problem being vegetarian ?

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the people in question dont think they have any problem being vegiatran, if you have no exsperince of not being vegitaran your mind would have nothing to base a true conspet of being ok on, so would defult toi the weekened state as being the normal level

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Originally Posted by Mentor

the people in question dont think they have any problem being vegiatran, if you have no exsperince of not being vegitaran your mind would have nothing to base a true conspet of being ok on, so would defult toi the weekened state as being the normal level

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My mother turned omnivore now, and she didn't notice any change.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

My mother turned omnivore now, and she didn't notice any change.

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a humans coneptual levels woulnt change, changes would only be visable from an exstnal or indpeant prospective.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Well then, we both saw (felt in my case) different stories. The vegetarian people that you met wasn't eating enough proteans and iron. Then how do you explain that me, my father, my brother and my mother never had any problem being vegetarian ?

Edit : NekkLe, do you have any research to show me to prove your point ?

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Do I have any research? As I stated, look it up yourself. And I have a knowledge about this matter so maybe learn something from me :)

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Originally Posted by NekkLe

Do I have any research? As I stated, look it up yourself. And I have a knowledge about this matter so maybe learn something from me :)

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Where did you get your knowledge ?

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Where did you get your knowledge ?

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when did this become a Epistemology debate lol? my knolage is primary knolage from athory combined with sence expserance, wich i used ratonal knolage to deduce conclueions from thogh :D

Well, I can tell you that my Biology teacher (she must has a very high knowledge) said that if I eat eggs, nuts, tofu and stuff like that, I have everything I need. Will you tell me that my teacher is wrong ? She studied about this...

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Where did you get your knowledge ?

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You have a question for everything? I done P.E for GCSE's and read books about this stuff.
This could turn into a lengthly debate however I'm tired so I sha'll not go that way.

I do read books about this too, and I never read that being vegetarian is dangerous.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Well, I can tell you that my Biology teacher (she must has a very high knowledge) said that if I eat eggs, nuts, tofu and stuff like that, I have everything I need. Will you tell me that my teacher is wrong ? She studied about this...

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An egg should do, since it is everything needed to form a chicken, just baring fertilsition? so it is like eating a tiny chicken in its raw componets in a way "/
tofu is soy based, wich has been linked to causeing miscarrages in woman.
nuts are nuts, athogh there protean qualty is quite low "/

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

I do read books about this too, and I never read that being vegetarian is dangerous.

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Depends wich books you read, plus most people dont read books that conflict with the stand point, most pro meat people for exsample woulnt read a novel about vegitaran properganda and for the mostr part id say that would work backwards.
Athogh personly i prefer to read the arguments for both sides, as it gives you a far better standing when you want to make a case for ether.

Personally i dont care... They taste good.

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Originally Posted by Mentor

An egg should do, since it is everything needed to form a chicken, just baring fertilsition? so it is like eating a tiny chicken in its raw componets in a way "/
tofu is soy based, wich has been linked to causeing miscarrages in woman.
nuts are nuts, athogh there protean qualty is quite low "/

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What is your point ?

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

I do read books about this too, and I never read that being vegetarian is dangerous.

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I didn't state that being a vegetarian is dangerous, I'm stating that being a vegearian, there are disadvantages to be consealed within your diet. I don't wish to carry on as you are just rambeling on about stuff which isn't needed at this time.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

What is your point ?

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primarly that an egg was like eating a chicken anyhow "/ its just the raw ingreadants lol.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

I do read books about this too, and I never read that being vegetarian is dangerous.

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Depends wich books you read, plus most people dont read books that conflict with the stand point, most pro meat people for exsample woulnt read a novel about vegitaran properganda and for the mostr part id say that would work backwards.
Athogh personly i prefer to read the arguments for both sides, as it gives you a far better standing when you want to make a case for ether.

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Originally Posted by NekkLe

I don't wish to carry on as you are just rambeling on about stuff which isn't needed at this time.

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This is what the debate is about, I'm not rambeling on about stuff wich isn't needed o.O

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Originally Posted by Mentor

primarly that an egg was like eating a chicken anyhow "/ its just the raw ingreadants lol.

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You don't have to kill to eat an egg.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

You don't have to kill to eat an egg.

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Dispite its appearance the egg is alive, not alive in the form of a chiken, but in the potenatly parts to make a chiken yes. You kill it when you boil it thogh "/

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

This is what the debate is about, I'm not rambeling on about stuff wich isn't needed o.O

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You are, your asking us all the questions when you havn't a knowledge yourself about most things that are discussed in this thread.

What is your point ?

^Try researching or atleast learn what it is that you are talking about, arguments and discussions need valid information from both sides which you are not achieving.
Your basically rambeling.

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Originally Posted by Mentor

Dispite its appearance the egg is alive, not alive in the form of a chiken, but in the potenatly parts to make a chiken yes. You kill it when you boil it thogh "/

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Nope, an egg isn't alive. I don't kill it when I boil it because it's just NOT alive.

If an egg isn't fertilised by a male, nothing will happen.

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You are, your asking us all the questions when you havn't a knowledge yourself about most things that are discussed in this thread.

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I'm just asking questions to prove that you're both wrong. I have lot more knowledge than you in this thread.

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Nope, an egg isn't alive. I don't kill it when I boil it because it's just NOT alive.

If an egg isn't fertilised by a male, nothing will happen.

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What about the egg inside? Yes it does need to be fertilised to begin the whole process of making a living being but in its current state, yes it is alive.

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I'm just asking questions to prove that you're both wrong. I have lot more knowledge than you in this thread.

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And thats why you've asked a whole bunch of questions? please advance...

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Nope, an egg isn't alive. I don't kill it when I boil it because it's just NOT alive.

If an egg isn't fertilised by a male, nothing will happen.

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That dosnt change the fact its alive thogh, all the cells in the egg are working doing there job and fully alive, all it lacks is the instrutions (fertition) on how the egg can construt the chickin from itself.
Its not alive as an entity know, but it is as alive as your hand on its own, no it cant think of anything, but its still replaing itself growing, moveing blood around, pumping veins, moving mustles etc etc ?

As a queary about poll choises? seeing as KFC do have vegitarin options why dose it actaly have its own votes part?

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What about the egg inside? Yes it does need to be fertilised to begin the whole process of making a living being but in its current state, yes it is alive.

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Do you know what is the definition of life ?

There is a few rules for something to be called "living".

It can moves by itself.
It can reproduces itself.
It can eat and/or drink.
It grows.
It can respond to an external stimulus.

The egg can't do anything of these rules.

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Originally Posted by Mentor

As a queary about poll choises? seeing as KFC do have vegitarin options why dose it actaly have its own votes part?

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To be even more precise

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Do you know what is the definition of life ?

There is a few rules for something to be called "living".

It can moves by itself.
It can reproduces itself.
It can eat and/or drink.
It grows.
It can respond to an external stimulus.

The egg can't do anything of these rules.

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the egg cant as an enticaly, but componet wize it can, since there are billions of simple orgnaims and strutures ment for forming a chicken, they are cpable of indepenat servial, even if it be a a single cell level in some case, and repodcuting asexulay via mitosis "/
Athogh i have used this deffition type to make a point within many abortion debeats myself "/

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Originally Posted by Mentor

the egg cant as an enticaly

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Period. There is not but. The egg just can't, it's NOT alive.

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Originally Posted by ?WhyNot?

Do you know what is the definition of life ?

There is a few rules for something to be called "living".

It can moves by itself.
It can reproduces itself.
It can eat and/or drink.
It grows.
It can respond to an external stimulus.

The egg can't do anything of these rules.

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Aah, the life topic. So from slaughtering chickens to the rules of the beginning of life.

Cells, a living form of life that can duplicate itself into many others rebuilding a population of its own. Working, growing, consuming, moving as a living being would do.
I was talking about the actual egg inside, the egg that plays a key factor in fertillisation...Anyways, I could ramble for hours talking about this, sadly, I have no time left for this discussion. Good Nigh'.

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Good Nigh'.

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Good night ;)

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Period. There is not but. The egg just can't, it's NOT alive.

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there is a but, since its the host to millions of LIVING things, wich are part of the egg, and indvidaly live in there own right, athogh its not created the final orgnaism, the live components still exist.

On that note this actal vear of on the debate is kinda pointless, so can we return to the primary topic... actaly as i cant rember what it was, the previos points made in this thread.

Also i may be going soon, tis late and im up early

ps. Byedly NekkLe

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there is a but, since its the host to millions of LIVING things, wich are part of the egg, and indvidaly live in there own right, athogh its not created the final orgnaism, the live components still exist.

On that note this actal vear of on the debate is kinda pointless, so can we return to the primary topic... actaly as i cant rember what it was, the previos points made in this thread.

Also i may be going soon, tis late and im up early

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Will the egg ever grow up ? Reproduce itself ?! NO WAY.

No matter what, people are going to consume chickens, though I am agaisn't it I still eat meat.

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Will the egg ever grow up ? Reproduce itself ?! NO WAY.

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On your logic, if i had a barrle of fish, the fish dont count as alive, becuse the barrle isnt?

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No matter what, people are going to consume chickens, though I am agaisn't it I still eat meat.

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Indeed they are, and i still do not see any valid reason for being agsiast it?

Anyway, I got to go now. I will only come back tomorrow.

It was nice to debate with you, take care.