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YAY!!! Go Blinkey!!! What he doesn't know is I actually have a sonyericsson at the moment so i know exactly what it can and can't do, and I have a sony vaio to use at work, but my powerbook is miles thinner and feels better quality
i think it's funny how nuts ppl go over the whole mac/pc debate...
regardless, as soon as iphone is out, this ericsson is history... and goodbye to this rotten stylus
long live the mightymouse!!!!
Too big.. maybe should be small... and it should work with verizon.
There we go. Someone who has a sony ericsson and knows about the iPhone. Somebody who has a PC and a Mac.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
Now tell me that the iPhone is a bad idea.
People will buy it and love it and Apple will make money. Try to tell us that the iPhone is a bad idea.
So then you know for a fact, that the Sony Ericsson has more applications that have some good uses? Or are you going to pretend you have a Sony Ericsson and say it doesn't? Or do you have an old Sony Ericsson phone?Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
A Sony Ericsson does more than an iPhone, except full web browsing and the multi-touch, but you get the obvious equivilent of buttons and the mini browser. But still, the Sony Ericsson has more applications than an iPhone. You can even download applications if you want, like Bluetooth Messenger.
You never did state that the iPhone is inferior to many already existing super phones "/ So as far as I am concerned, your comment on having a Sony Ericsson was and is pointless. Your Sony Ericsson has a stylus?!
My Sony Vaio is far smaller than a Mac Book:
My Sony Vaio Laptop:
Weight 2.3 kg
Height 37 mm
Width 329.6 mm
Depth 235.6 mm
The Mac Book:
Weight 2.39 kg
Height 27 mm
Width 325 mm
Depth 227 mm
Other than the height, it is nice and small "/ So, any other dumb comments with no proof? And nom, I do not want dumb comments like "But the Mac Book has a camera, it's built in to the screen, which makes indifferent to Width, Depth and Weight, they weigh next to nothing.
The "Might Mouse" has nothing mighty about it "/ It looks like a mouse and it's use is a mouse, so nothing "mighty" about it. Looks like Apple trying to be funny again.
I like how you love people on your side of an argument. An obvious weakness that you're trying to get as many allies. The fact this is a debate, where you need to give your views and fend for yourselfis out of the question for you "/
You cannot know the iPhone, it hasn't been released? Besides, I proved him wrong and as you should know, he never did say it was worse or better than the iPhone?Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
It's not, it's just another phone with nothing original about it. Except the iPod, which is just another MP3 player in a phone, like Sony's Walkman.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
Obviously people will buy it, Apple can sell anything with 'i' infront and make it seem cool. Have you not seen their "amazing" adverts? They literally scream why Apple is so good. Even though Apple have proven to me they're poor hippies (taken from the adverts). PC looks like he is doing good for himself and has a family that is easy to run. Mac doesn't mention his family, so he isn't proud of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
Oh, have you also noticed the new Mac adverts about Vista? Don't get me started on how pathetic Mac have made themselves look. The firewall on Vista is not what is portrayed in those ads, far from it.
I used one last week, unless they've just released them. Hmmm, funny thing that, I wonder if Apple realised that a one button mouse was pointless? A 360 degree call is also pointless. You only need up, down, left and right on a PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
You're not millions of phone users. You're just one person. You can check your e-mail on a normal phone, with the e-mail function. Or, if you have Gmail, go on it with a browser. You don't need the huge browser to do that either. Even though it's a good idea, for what I want in a phone, it'll just be another pointless feature which I can do at home or at college, or on my laptop?Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
lmao - there's little point in attempting to carry on the argument with you!
have a look at what you wrote about the dimensions again hahahahahaha
apart from weight the vaio loses on all counts... :P
fyi i've got a p990...
and how can u say that the iphone has worse apps than the ericsson when the iphone hasn't been released and the software is unconfirmed
your contradictions, and erratic form of arguing mean that there is no coherent point in anything that you type - surely the more choice that a consumer has, the better? why try to belittle apple users? at no point have i done the same for PC users, so why the huge chip on your shoulder?
bizarre
Lol so it is :P Ignoring that, it isn't "miles thinner" and considering I mucked up what I said, although it is higher and wider, considering it is a Media Laptop, it needs this. Unless you want to view movies on a screen that's a few inches smaller "/ I'm not sure where this argument came from, because the Sony VAIO I have is a media laptop and anything by Apple is focused on media, so really, anything that is big, but easy to handle, is better than having something small which doesn't give you the full viewing pleasure you demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
Well the k800i and w200i has loads of applications which the iPhone probably won't have, but we'll have to wait for its release.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
I never said anything about the apps being terrible? I said that there is a possibility that they couldn't be very good or not having them at all "/Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
I wouldn't say you get a huge selection of choice with a Mac, you get more with a PC "/ You can customize your system to how you please, while with a Mac you can't customize as much as your would with a PC. You get more choice of colours, while with Macs it just appears you can get white and black?Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
I'm not belittling them, I'm just saying how it is and what I think. Besides, Apple belittle Windows, and fail miserably in their adverts with more visible flaws than Windows.
Mac is a poor hippy with a bad family. PC is doing well for himself, with a good family and friendly sense of humour with no dumb sarcastic comments from Mac, which kinda sum up Apple really. A joke "/
As obviously, actualy encoprateing the technology in to the controller, creating the functionalty to allow the ps3 to interprite it etc, wasnt a concern, and wouldnt have needed to be in development for a substantal time period o.0Quote:
Originally Posted by HUGECOOL
More than likley it was a unconfirmed feature, aka they haddent decided to use it or cut it out for the final version till quite late in the devlopment, which commonly happens in such situations. In responce to wii haveing it maybe? Copying, not really possible as they couldnt develop it from start to finish in such a short time frame.
o.0 interesting, even Howard ("Drive speed matters more to me [than capacity], and Blu-ray is slower.") has said hes going to use the full disk, even if to store redundant data?Quote:
When have developers claimed full use of Blu Rays was happening? oO The only time I recall developers speaking about the storage space is when they mentioned that they *wouldn't* use the full disc, unless you can site otherwise.
Thats all nice, but im not talking about 12* dvd's. Im taking about the WII, which only has read speeds simlar to that of dvd *6... which, not suprisingly is somewhat slower.Quote:
Not really, since DVDs have a variable speed depending on where its loading (inner or outter edge) while Blu-Ray will load at a constant rate. oO As an example, DVD x12 has a rate of ~9MB/s at minimum (inner edge), which is the roughly the same, or better, than a BD x2.
If where going to suddenly jump around to speeds the wii cant do, why not jump around with blu-ray's as well, a blu-ray *8 goes one hell of alot faster (288 Mbit/s). Plus you forgot to include the fact the ps3 can stream information from its hard drive... which is also quite substantaly faster.
Well in normal circumstances, as with every other medium there is no. if you really want to get in to it, get some frenzic lazers, you can read the data in the same way you could read a shatted hard disk plate. So i dont get the differnece really "/Quote:
Fault tolerance. And while Blu-Ray does offer many protections against everyday wear and tear, it's still just a disc. Sure, a hard drive is just a disc as well, but recovering data from the latter is already available while recovering data from a burned/shattered BD is pretty much impossible.
Sony build there consoles to last a few years, the requierments go up fast, so why not use the blu-ray disk? After all the ps1's success is partly down to useing a Blu-ray CD?Quote:
I meant developers would have to unconditionally support the Blu-Ray format regardless of performance. Since the PS3's Blu-Ray player is internal and not external, the format is basically being used to lure support from the gaming market even when it isn't really needed.
Urmm, actualy the xbox 360 does suport hd content?Quote:
So, with that logic, Xbox 360 isn't a next-gen console because it doesn't have motion sensing or offer the ability to read a high-definition format.
That would be true, if that was what you had claimed, but you made no mention of better console, you made mention of whether its a 7th gen console, which is directly mesuered by technolgical serfistciaion in the device.Quote:
oO The next generation of anything is just an upgrade to anything currently avialable in whatever its predeceding. The analogy I wrote was basically saying; You don't have a great product just because you used the best materials. Technological superiority doesn't mean your product will have ensured success. You have to have content that'll sell the product. Take last gen for example, the Gamecube was superior in specs, but the PS2 ended up winning the console battles.
Well its kinda obvious, but still very true, a console is only as good as the games made for it. but the games can only be as good as the console allows them to be.Quote:
It was because of the games. Playstation 2's game library offered a very wide variety of games that attracted a much bigger audience. The PS3 so far has very lackluster games, and development costs don't help either which just drives the indie game market away from that console = less games. The Wii offers a much cheaper solution for developing games which has successfully driven more developers to make games for it. Point being, in game consoles, it doesn't matter what specs you boast if you don't have good games. Many consoles have flopped because of this.
Also i support blu-ray as a format, im not so bothered about the ps3's useage of it. Blu-ray outdoes hd-dvd and all other formats in every aspect, and also has massivly outsold hd-dvd.
Lol I thought that was a joke but I guess you are serious. Look at the size. The Mac is smaller in all dimentionsQuote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
The thing that people like about it is that it looks simple. It can be used as a one button simple mouse with a scroll ball. Or you can use the right button and side buttons and ball button so you have a nice mouse. It looks simple and that goes in with the style of Apple.Quote:
The "Might Mouse" has nothing mighty about it "/ It looks like a mouse and it's use is a mouse, so nothing "mighty" about it. Looks like Apple trying to be funny again.
So to answer the thread question. Yes the iPhone is a good idea.Quote:
Obviously people will buy it
I have talked with people about this ad and they think it is funny because they have installed vista and it is like that. The whole cancel or allow thing.Quote:
Oh, have you also noticed the new Mac adverts about Vista? Don't get me started on how pathetic Mac have made themselves look. The firewall on Vista is not what is portrayed in those ads, far from it.
No they have been out for years with a double click. You cant tell from the outside but if you click the right side only it is right click. You can set it to only single click if you want though. One button mouse are not pointless. Some novice computer users will never need use the right click.Quote:
I used one last week, unless they've just released them. Hmmm, funny thing that, I wonder if Apple realised that a one button mouse was pointless? A 360 degree call is also pointless. You only need up, down, left and right on a PC.
About the 360 degree scroll ball. Using excell or photoshop while you are zoomed in the side scroll comes in helpful. You can go down and left with the ball. So it is not pointless. Just a nice feature.
Which in itself isn't a good thing. For a Media System like Macs, they would need a big screen to get the full satisfaction with the system. My laptop is perfect with Windows Media System with it's Wide Screen and LCD screen. The MacBook is small yes, but it doesn't mean it is necessarily good for it "/Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
So Apple just use the word "mighty" to look hip and cool, when infact it is out of context and has nothing particularly mighty about it? You might aswell call it iMouse, I am sure people would buy who would buy anythign with "i" infront.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
I never said it was a bad idea "/ I just said it will be another product that will be released after others with the same features, including a touch pad of some sort. Even though I am convinced that it won't have half enough interesting features as any other smart phones.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
Apple are just picking out the obvious and taking it out of proportion, as per usual. If you have Zone Alarm Firewall, you get warnings like this. It is easy to solved, you just say "Remember this setting" or agree or decline, depends what it is like. Apple just put it into the real world context which has more inputs and outputs and make it look stupid, which in reality it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
I like to be able to right click and save. Much faster than File, Save as. I also like to know what I am pressing and see the options. 2 mice buttons, not one with two settings "/Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
Nice, but pointless. Can't you hover over and area and zoom, which is probably more simple and faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
First you argue that the MacBook is too big. Now you realized that it is smaller so you are saying that it is too small. People get different size monitors depending on what they need to use the laptops for. If someone wanted a bigger screen they could always go for a 15" or 17" MacBook ProQuote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Are you really arguing that there is nothing mighty about the mouse so they should change the name?Quote:
So Apple just use the word "mighty" to look hip and cool, when infact it is out of context and has nothing particularly mighty about it? You might aswell call it iMouse, I am sure people would buy who would buy anythign with "i" infront.
Many companies put cool words infront of their product. This is nothing new. The mighty mouse does have some cool features and to some it might be mighty. Maybe not to you.
I like to have a right click too. But I am saying that it isnt pointless to have a single click option because some computer users who are not as computer literate as us will never have the need for a two click mouse. It is more simpler for them with just one button to click and open things. I know old people who use the computer and they go up to file and go down to save to save something. I usually just use command S.Quote:
I like to be able to right click and save. Much faster than File, Save as. I also like to know what I am pressing and see the options. 2 mice buttons, not one with two settings "/
You can hold down the apple key and move the scroll ball and it zooms in on the screen. But I am saying like working on a spreadsheet you can scroll to the right and down by going diagnol. That is a nice feature. Seems pritty mighty to me :)Quote:
Nice, but pointless. Can't you hover over and area and zoom, which is probably more simple and faster?
I know this is off topic but; Woah, the debate about Apple and Microsoft or whatver between BL!NKEY and Gomme is still going on? :s
Haha. Its ok. The thread is over in two days. Then I can let my hand rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Wolverine
I stopped for a few pages in the middle and they were doing huge posts.
After realizing what argument we're in now, a laptop with a bigger screen that focuses on Media uses is better at its job than a laptop with a small screen. Apple boast that their systems are excellent with fun stuff, or in reality, photos, videos etc. Now, a bigger monitor would be more sufficient to its duties than a tiny, pathetic monitor. And this monitor size argument, you get laptops that come from 13.3" monitors to 17" +. So Macs haven't stumbled across anything brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
No, I am saying that the mighty mouse isn't mightier than any mouse already on the market. I am just saying it is a stupid name to call it. Although, anything Apple create is blown up into something ridiculously stupid to sell to stupid people who don't look into things and buy because of a name e.g. iPhone, iPod, iMac and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
No, because I have enough sense to look at the details and form my own opinions on a product. Just because it is called mighty, doesn't mean it s amazingly brilliant compared to anything else "/ As you would think from something called mighty. Also, I don't loads of companies do put cool words to impress people. Maybe it is just anything trying to sell kids, or Apple users "/Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
In this day in age, child and adults learn how to use a computer just beyond basic level. The right click of a mouse is one of the things you learn. Going back to Key Skills IT at college, they taught you these things again, even though I've known about right clicking since Year 4... Same with anyone else, and as with most people, we'll form our own ideas of how something works. Right click, copy looks awfully familiar as Edit, copy. So we could experiment to see if it is the same... Loads of people experiment, why do you think humans are clever than most animals, even though lab rats learn "/Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
You have to hold two mouse buttons? Might as well go to where you want and zoom to save awkwardness.Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
erm iphone? Gomme? iphone? the topic? iPHONE?
ah, too busy trying to verbally bully people and belittle them rather than argue any of your points with finesse, eh?
i bought a mac way back in '96 i think before ipods, or anything else with 'i' in front - i bought it because it was different and i was pleased to have an alternative choice
the iphone is a device that perhaps offers many of the same features that others do, maybe has less in some departments, more in others - the question was whether apple should stick to computers or if the phone was a good idea...
the more choice we have, surely it's an advantage? nobody is forcing you to buy it - the fact it has an 'i' in front of it has no bearing on my decision to buy one, i just choose to buy one because i prefer it to other phones
I was belittling? Yes, you believe that... We're still discussing the iPhone, but it seems the argument has split up into a battle of Apples over-exaggerated advertising methods, MP3 players and general system compared to what is advertised truthfully and doesn't mock another company at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
Good for you. The Mac offers nothing I cannot already get on a PC, plus more. I have no use for them or any other Apple product.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
I haven't seen anything on the iPhone about is offering more than other phones. The touch-screen is impressive, but it is just an alternative to buttons, and judging from this, it doesn't seem a very good alternative. That's just me though, I'll see if my predictions are correct when I play with a fully working one. How and when I don't know, I am sceptical they'll come to the UK, half the features won't work as good here e.g. Wi-Fi, Google Maps and even the name iPhone is already being used by a company.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
Are you sure about that? You seem to hint you want an iPhone because it has been produced by Apple. Probably accidentally hinted. I don't exactly find the iPhone too appealing to me, I only find the touch-screen impressive. As stated, the Wi-Fi connect would be hard to use in the UK, there isn't very much connectivity in the UK, other than in London, but they're mostly passworded. I only really like the multi-touch pad, but I can't see it doing very well, it seems quicker to call someone with buttons, than scrolling through the touch pad with a finger.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog-egg
Unfortunately, this may mean that the era of ipod's is over unless the iPhone doesn't do too well.. :(
I'm confused? I very much doubt it. Sony make just as good (perhaps better) MP3's and they have phones, laptops, PCs etc going at the same time! Apple isn't that useless "/Quote:
Originally Posted by tombo60