iPhone - Good idea? [Closes 10/02/07]

Is this even a debate? How would providing advancements in the cell phone industry be a bad thing? There is huge potentential for other companies as well, not just for Apple. The cell phone industry is a very fast-paced world, and other cell phone makers quickly assimilate any new technology. With these new features, other phone companies will be able to provide the same products for probably a cheaper price, and in turn, drive Apple's costs down as well. There is some new technology in the iPhone, but it's nothing to be 'wowed' about. The only thing Apple did was find a better solution to something that already existed, and they just happened to be the first to do so. Is that a bad thing?

The trouble is though that other companies will probably only try to be the iPhone and not surpass its capabilities. Which is what happened with the MP3 industry. Many companies tried imitating the iPod without improving on performance, so they kinda paved Apple's way to great success in the music industry. Because of this, the market is filled with all these crappy products that have very little of what consumers want. I'm not saying that every company or product is like this, but with most companies it's more of hit or miss, and if they miss, they pull. Apple tries to hit everytime with the FIRST product, making it less wasteful. Saying that the iPhone will flop because of the price is pretty stupid. Some of the first iPods cost around $500 and they sold by the truckloads.

And how just sticking 'to what they know' be a solution? If business worked like that, they wouldn't be able to expand and make more profit. Sure, there are those exclusive companies that will do just fine with only one industry, but when a general consumer electronics company like Apple or Sony doesn't expand, any financial issues it may face in the future can be the end of the company very quickly. But that should be common sense, in my opinion.

its a good idea, no doubt about that
its the praticality of it, i think they should have created a touchscreen iPod instead tbh
and they should've been more genourous with the memory, 4gb and 8gb? should at least have memory card support if they're gonna put small amounts of memory in it

Music tbh cause people have been slating the idea and its too expensive.

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Originally Posted by curiosity

its a good idea, no doubt about that
its the praticality of it, i think they should have created a touchscreen iPod instead tbh
and they should've been more genourous with the memory, 4gb and 8gb? should at least have memory card support if they're gonna put small amounts of memory in it

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Storage on the iPhone is flash-based, so bigger quantities of storage would just raise the price even more. Flash storage is faster and comsumes less power, so it was a good solution for the phone. But I agree, they should've had support for other flash storage.

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Originally Posted by :Hazel

Music tbh cause people have been slating the idea and its too expensive.

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it's not too expensive if you consider the prices of other phones on the market?

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

Yeah true, but people believe they should stick to what Macs and ipods :).

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People said that when apple came out with the iPod. That they should just stick to computers. Look at iPods now. They made this rediculously (sp?) sweet phone and no one should say that they shouldnt enter the phone market because in a few years no one will have 3 devices in their hand (ipod, phone and pda.)

People will have one device and the iPhone is a possible choice one of these smart phones.

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Originally Posted by bloc

it's not too expensive if you consider the prices of other phones on the market?

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exactally. It does more then most smart phones and is only a little bit more. But you would expect a high quality and expensive product from apple.

The iPod was a lot more expensive when it first came out. Then they greatly decreased in price and everyone has them.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

People said that when apple came out with the iPod. That they should just stick to computers. Look at iPods now. They made this rediculously (sp?) sweet phone and no one should say that they shouldnt enter the phone market because in a few years no one will have 3 devices in their hand (ipod, phone and pda.)

People will have one device and the iPhone is a possible choice one of these smart phones.



exactally. It does more then most smart phones and is only a little bit more. But you would expect a high quality and expensive product from apple.

The iPod was a lot more expensive when it first came out. Then they greatly decreased in price and everyone has them.

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As far as I see it, the iPhone will just be another brand of phone on the market, like the iPod was with music. The iPod is just a MP3 Player hybrid with it's own crappy format and prone to crashing, not all, but they do love it.

I noticed my friends Black iPod Nano he got for Christmas descided it didn't want to turn off when he held down the menu. I thought they fixed the bugs in the Mini? Strange it does the same.

Just because Apple Macs are user friendly doesn't mean they're great, they make them so user friendly because they hide their open source through this. You can't personalise a Mac like a good PC, you have to buy a special program for it while with a PC, you could make a program and personalise it at the same time.

In the end, Apple is still just another brand, with flaws and big-headed leaders behind them. I'm going to stick with proper brands like Creative Zen, which actually made the technology the iPod stole (scroll technology), and I will stay with a PC because they do not brag and lie incredibly badly in adverts. And I will continue to buy proper phones, not a "fresh" looking phone, glorified b a bigheaded company behind it.

For what you get from an iPod, you can get better from Sony or Creative, the two companies with better quality in their MP3 players that Apple only dream they had.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

As far as I see it, the iPhone will just be another brand of phone on the market, like the iPod was with music. The iPod is just a MP3 Player hybrid with it's own crappy format and prone to crashing, not all, but they do love it.

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The iPod was popular because of its easy interface and appeal. Of corse the iPhone is going to be another brand of phone because that is what it is. The iPod was another brand but it happened to sell a lot better then the rest.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I noticed my friends Black iPod Nano he got for Christmas descided it didn't want to turn off when he held down the menu. I thought they fixed the bugs in the Mini? Strange it does the same.

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Maybe because holding down the menu button turns on the back light.

If he held down the Pause/play button then it would turn off.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Just because Apple Macs are user friendly doesn't mean they're great, they make them so user friendly because they hide their open source through this. You can't personalise a Mac like a good PC, you have to buy a special program for it while with a PC, you could make a program and personalise it at the same time.

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Most special specialized programs for macs interface can be downloaded for free off the internet. No need to buy them. But what personlaization would someone want to do to their mac? Maybe desktop and icons which you dont need another program for. The interface is already good looking.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

In the end, Apple is still just another brand, with flaws and big-headed leaders behind them. I'm going to stick with proper brands like Creative Zen, which actually made the technology the iPod stole (scroll technology), and I will stay with a PC because they do not brag and lie incredibly badly in adverts. And I will continue to buy proper phones, not a "fresh" looking phone, glorified b a bigheaded company behind it.

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That is all oppinions that the Creative Zen is more "proper" then iPod and Apple stole all of its ideas from Creative. If they actually so much technology then Creative would sue Apple and win a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

For what you get from an iPod, you can get better from Sony or Creative, the two companies with better quality in their MP3 players that Apple only dream they had.

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My iPod is great quality. I Have had it for over 4 years and it still works.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

The iPod was popular because of its easy interface and appeal. Of corse the iPhone is going to be another brand of phone because that is what it is. The iPod was another brand but it happened to sell a lot better then the rest.

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You obviously didn't catch my drift, I meant it won't be anything special or revolutionary. Not it's own seperate, unique brand, better than all the rest. It will jut be an option for people to buy, not the No.1 thing to get.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

Maybe because holding down the menu button turns on the back light.

If he held down the Pause/play button then it would turn off.

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It was whatever button was at the bottom, I never paid attention as I was driving at the time. I imagined it was the Menu button because it seemed like it was that button at the time (I don't really remember things like that).

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

Most special specialized programs for macs interface can be downloaded for free off the internet. No need to buy them. But what personlaization would someone want to do to their mac? Maybe desktop and icons which you dont need another program for. The interface is already good looking.

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I meant for out of personal use. Companies like to personalise their systems, with special programs that can be used as a Database for example, which don't neccessarily connect to the internet, which I am guessing would not get them a good program unless they took the effort of downloading it onto a memory stick.

With a computer, companies can use personalised programs to do their services, like O2 has Windows for their phone database amongst other companies. I've only ever seen a Mac used at the National Portrait Gallery in London, but they don't exactly need much and the slideshow program used did the job enough.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

That is all oppinions that the Creative Zen is more "proper" then iPod and Apple stole all of its ideas from Creative. If they actually so much technology then Creative would sue Apple and win a lot of money.

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Considering Creative got rated second out of 3 companies for quality, style etc. It kinda is fact. iPod was third due to tinny quality, a terrible sound system which cannot predict how the music should sound like, and it uses a format that isn't high quality.

Sony came first out of Creative and Apple. I don't have the Sony MP3 player so I can't exactly say I love Creative and think they should be the best when it was recorded that Sony was better.

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

My iPod is great quality. I Have had it for over 4 years and it still works.

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Whether it works or not isn't the question. It also depends on what you consider is good quality.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

You obviously didn't catch my drift, I meant it won't be anything special or revolutionary. Not it's own seperate, unique brand, better than all the rest. It will jut be an option for people to buy, not the No.1 thing to get.


It was whatever button was at the bottom, I never paid attention as I was driving at the time. I imagined it was the Menu button because it seemed like it was that button at the time (I don't really remember things like that).


I meant for out of personal use. Companies like to personalise their systems, with special programs that can be used as a Database for example, which don't neccessarily connect to the internet, which I am guessing would not get them a good program unless they took the effort of downloading it onto a memory stick.

With a computer, companies can use personalised programs to do their services, like O2 has Windows for their phone database amongst other companies. I've only ever seen a Mac used at the National Portrait Gallery in London, but they don't exactly need much and the slideshow program used did the job enough.


Considering Creative got rated second out of 3 companies for quality, style etc. It kinda is fact. iPod was third due to tinny quality, a terrible sound system which cannot predict how the music should sound like, and it uses a format that isn't high quality.

Sony came first out of Creative and Apple. I don't have the Sony MP3 player so I can't exactly say I love Creative and think they should be the best when it was recorded that Sony was better.


Whether it works or not isn't the question. It also depends on what you consider is good quality.

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I do agree that Windows are better for most companies dealing with large databases. But this thread is about iPhones and we are kind of getting off topic.

Here is a cool video I found that shows a lot of stuff the iPod can and cant do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

for anyone who doesnt know about it and wants to be in the debate I would recomend watching that video first to get a back ground.

Looks cool to me. Would be funny if in the future it was a huge hit and everyone had iPhones and we looked back at this thread.