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Gomme i fullwell accept that if you cut the fat out then it makes it less harmful, it wasn't what i was getting at, if you look at the consumption of meat in say the united states (another country yes i know but we all live on this world together) it's just ridiculous, the amount of meat they eat is huge also, all that stuff rotting in your colon.. yum ^^ but meh.
Ah the American diet makes me sick, I can eat meat yes, but I wouldn't actually want that much... I do like a mixture of everything. I think there was a show on ages ago that studied American people and they prodded what came out and apparently it wasnt very pretty. This was someone that ate far too much cake, kebabs, beef and it was all the cheap, badly prepared meat on top of that. So I can see why a vegetarian diet may make them healthier... Thankfully Europe and the UK are actually sorting out the issues with the preparation of meat and how the animals are treated, although it seems that there will always be some farms doing something wrong.
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Also: my main argument isn't with the health of meat, more with how we treat the animals before slaughter and at slaughter is my main concern, although it's been proven by the american diet association that cutting out meat has health benefits but alas, if you have meat in moderation (not just meat and two veg) then you'd be living alot healthier anyhow.
Which is what I tend to do. I wouldn't eat just meat, it gets pretty sickly in the stomach which is why a mixture makes it digest easier and I do feel alot healthier eating a mixture of food. I seem to feel yucky without meat, but apparently my health requires a meat included diet along the lines. Whether that is true or not I don't know. I belive it was you who said something that you had to eat meat because it made you ill? My cousin is like that, but she doesn't mind helping prepare a meal which includes meat, she just can't stomach it.
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As i've stated before, i believe humans are primary vegetarians with the ability to eat meat in case of dire need (such as the boomeh[sp] tribe) they live mainly vegetarian but eat the blood of the cattle (a knife stuck into a vein, not actually killing the animal) they'll only kill them in dire famine etc.
It's sort of a culture clash now it seems, I think because we've evolved in this country to have a meat included diet (for the obvious ones that can eat meat or do rather) we can make it readily available, while to a tribe such as the Boomeh (sp :P) it isn't as easy to come by and they find it easier to grow crops and drink milk which they mix with the blood, which is making the animal last longer. Even though the thought of just cutting a vein makes me slightly ill for some strange reason :S
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And the second point comes down to morales.. i personally believe animals do feel pain whether it be mental or physical, cattle have been noted to experience very bad stress when they enter slaugter houses and see dead cattle around them, could that be seen as stress or just an instinctual warning to get out.. either way science can't prove it all until we get some sort of animal mind reading equipment ^^
It's weird because there is no real answer, they feel pain, but no one actually knows if it is the same pain as we do and whether or not they associate the animal infront dying with what they may experience within a matter of seconds. If they let it suffer, then I disagree, I am all for a happy organic life before hand (and I tend to buy meat from animals which have eaten organic feed etc) but all this intense farming makes the meat taste differently and sometimes discusting because of how it suffered. Whether or not is felt anything at the time is really out of the case.
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Also one point, did you know chickens are as intelligent as most primates? So could they be seen as self aware and thus they feel pain when slaughtered?
Urrrgh, I now need to think back to my Philosophy lessons. It depends in what way they are intelligent, like parrots can talk, but they're really just recording and playing back what someone has said to them, rather than forming real words or remembering them (although some breeds of parrot do remember things forever, some don't). I suppose if they were self-aware, they would do something to stop the harm of themselves and others. It's a weird subject to revolve around, I kinda slipped into sleep when it came to it :P
