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Originally Posted by [ALEX]

I've seriously had enough of the Undertaker spreading his conservative HATE towards whatever the government does. The conservatives would probably have gone to war too. They were influenced HEAVILY by the Americans. And MUCH less British forces are in Iraq than the Americans, and they control Baghdad and the North, where much of the fighting, civil unrest takes place, not Basra (which we no longer take full responsibility for, as mentioned before hand). When the conservatives come to power in a couple of years time (cause they will - they'll start spreading crap about the EU Treaty soon, where there is nothing particularly WRONG with it, just the fact that labor hadn't bothered telling the public anything about it) they'll come to power promising things which they can't deliver.

There's my 2 (euro) cents. =P (Euro is much stronger than the pound and dollar, and still rising)

Do you read the Daily (Hate-)Mail by the way?

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The Labour party promised us a vote, they denied it, as her majestys opposition they have a duty to oppose it and rightly should. Personally I think David Cameron is a tossbag so I know your trying to offended me but I agree with you, he's another Blair. The Pound is stronger than the Euro and Dollar by the way.

Yeah I do, what do you read, the sun :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The Labour party promised us a vote, they denied it, as her majestys opposition they have a duty to oppose it and rightly should. Personally I think David Cameron is a tossbag so I know your trying to offended me but I agree with you, he's another Blair. The Pound is stronger than the Euro and Dollar by the way.

Yeah I do, what do you read, the sun :rolleyes:

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the news on sunday for the football on my paper round on sunday morning haha (y) It worries me every sunday morning when i see the truely anti-government, almost hate-writing daily mail and how many i deliver. =/

And yeah, it is bad they aren't offering a refferendum, but it'll be the media (which is too right-wing imo) who'll twist public opinion away from the treaty.

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Originally Posted by [ALEX]

the news on sunday for the football on my paper round on sunday morning haha (y) It worries me every sunday morning when i see the truely anti-government, almost hate-writing daily mail and how many i deliver. =/

And yeah, it is bad they aren't offering a refferendum, but it'll be the media (which is too right-wing imo) who'll twist public opinion away from the treaty.

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It's called freedom of speech, the Newspapers can say what they want, and incase you haven't noticed the massive majority of England is right wing, therefore printing right-wing ideas would make sence :rolleyes: The reason why there is a lot of anti government writing is because this Government has been a failure.

Also were you the one who -repped?

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In that case you surely can't comment on the Nazi rule because you weren't there :rolleyes:

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I havn't commented on Nazi rule :rolleyes:

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It's called freedom of speech, the Newspapers can say what they want, and incase you haven't noticed the massive majority of England is right wing, therefore printing right-wing ideas would make sence :rolleyes: The reason why there is a lot of anti government writing is because this Government has been a failure.

Also were you the one who -repped?

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nah, i wouldn't -rep for someone's political views (no matter how much I am against them).

Yeah, but the media holds tremendous amounts of power and in some cases is abused. If the media doesn't want the eu treaty to be voted for in a refferendum, it won't be - as the info shared with the public will be only against, if a conservative MP does something bad, it might not be reported on - and the public wouldn't know about it.

Some press is pro-labor, but the largest ones are not.

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I havn't commented on Nazi rule :rolleyes:

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I am using it as an example.

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Originally Posted by [ALEX]

nah, i wouldn't -rep for someone's political views (no matter how much I am against them).

Yeah, but the media holds tremendous amounts of power and in some cases is abused. If the media doesn't want the eu treaty to be voted for in a refferendum, it won't be - as the info shared with the public will be only against, if a conservative MP does something bad, it might not be reported on - and the public wouldn't know about it.

Some press is pro-labor, but the largest ones are not.

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Yeah but we live in a democracy, as I have said before the majority of England is right-wing and wants to hear right-wing news.

The majority of England may want right-wing news, but the majority of Britain doesn't. :rolleyes:

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Yeah but we live in a democracy, as I have said before the majority of England is right-wing and wants to hear right-wing news.

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Since when? Tbh, in my little, Middle Class, Middle England life, I have barely heard anyone who's strongly against the war. Infact, the percentage of people I talk to are sick of people constantly bashing the Government and just want news.
I'd much rather pick up my newspaper and read of a success in Afghanistan or Iraq, but unfortunately these get relegated to a short paragraph on page 2 and the rest is dedicated to whatever scandals and whatever is happening.

Watch any political satire on the Tv - Mock the Week, Have I Got News For You? - and even some of the older ones - Whose Line Is It Anyway? - and they will all bash Daily Mail and Guardian readers. They insult them with a passion.

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Originally Posted by [ALEX]

I've seriously had enough of the Undertaker spreading his conservative HATE towards whatever the government does. The conservatives would probably have gone to war too. They were influenced HEAVILY by the Americans. And MUCH less British forces are in Iraq than the Americans, and they control Baghdad and the North, where much of the fighting, civil unrest takes place, not Basra (which we no longer take full responsibility for, as mentioned before hand). When the conservatives come to power in a couple of years time (cause they will - they'll start spreading crap about the EU Treaty soon, where there is nothing particularly WRONG with it, just the fact that labor hadn't bothered telling the public anything about it) they'll come to power promising things which they can't deliver.

There's my 2 (euro) cents. =P (Euro is much stronger than the pound and dollar, and still rising)

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The pound is a hell of a lot strong than the Euro, and considerably more than the Dollar. If he wishes to express his conservative views then so be it, if you want to express socialist views go ahead, I'll listen, I just won't agree. I wouldn't make assumptions about the next election yet, it's a while ahead and it will only be called when the Tories are in trouble and Labour are doing well.

It was mostly a Blair thing being influenced by the American's, as you can see Brown isn't pro-American and it isn't a Tory thing either. It is true the Conservatives agreed to the War in Iraq too, there was full support by the Conservatives and Labour for the second Gulf war, clearly the Tories aren't perfect and do too make mistakes.

You have no evidence the Tories won't do what they say when they come to power, they haven't done that much in the past, unlike the Labour who promised a referendum on any new EU Constituencies, but says we simply don't need one... However it looks like after all we could get one due to a large amount of Labour MPs rebelling, it'll most probably take months and then our stupid public would vote for it anyway. If the public is silly enough to vote for Labour, then they could be silly enough to vote for this to go ahead.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yeah I do, what do you read, the sun :rolleyes:

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Judging by his intellect he's probably more a Star or Daily Sport reader, The Sun would be considered a challenging read.

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I am using it as an example.



Yeah but we live in a democracy, as I have said before the majority of England is right-wing and wants to hear right-wing news.

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so we get to vote who runs our newspapers yeah? er - no.

to be a democracy, the public need to know both sides of the story so the public can make an informed decision, right?

have you ever watched Euronews, it's so unbiased (Except pro-EU) it's untrue.

ps. Daily Sport ftw.