BNP to appear on Question Time

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

You say they are getting votes so they should be allowed on, fair enough but in the last General Election they got 0.7% of the vote, 0.7! They are the UKs Eighth largest party in terms of General elections. It shows that only a extremely small minority support the BNPs viewpoint which is why more mainstream parties should be allowed on. There are many parties bigger than the BNP that haven't yet been invited to go on Question Time.

Just because the BNP shout the loudest it doesn't mean that they are anywhere near the biggest party.

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Therefore as a party which gained a quite large nationwide vote, along with coming sixth in the latest election that was held (European Parliamentary Elections) and picking up two seats, they are entitled to come onto Question Time in what is supposed to be a democratic, free and fair country.

If you actually watched Question Time you would know that the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, United Kingdom Independance Party, Scottish National Party and the Green Party are often on, meaning the British National Party is not getting more coverage just because they 'shout the loudest' - you just made that up to back your own argument up.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Therefore as a party which gained a quite large nationwide vote, along with coming sixth in the latest election that was held (European Parliamentary Elections) and picking up two seats they are entitled to come onto Question Time.

If you actually watched Question Time you would know that the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, United Kingdom Independance Party, Scottish National Party and the Green Party are often on, meaning the British National Party is not getting more coverage just because they 'shout the loudest' - you just made that up to back your own argument up.

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They have NO seats in parliament. NONE! They can't claim to represent the British Electorate when they obviously don't. The Democratic Unionist party on the other hand have 9 Seats but I've never seen them on there, they may have been, but I haven't seen them.

I believe any party that promotes ideologies which are against the law gives up any rights that they may be entitled to as a party.

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

You say they are getting votes so they should be allowed on, fair enough but in the last General Election they got 0.7% of the vote, 0.7! They are the UKs Eighth largest party in terms of General elections. It shows that only a extremely small minority support the BNPs viewpoint which is why more mainstream parties should be allowed on. There are many parties bigger than the BNP that haven't yet been invited to go on Question Time.

Just because the BNP shout the loudest it doesn't mean that they are anywhere near the biggest party.

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You said it yourself, they shout the loudest. Why not hear what they are shouting about, than care about the other parties who sit in silence doing sweet sod all? Besides, the BNP is the most controversial of the other parties, the others would appear too similar or bore worthy :P

Also, what ideologies are there that break the law in terms of the BNP? They're ideologies for a reason, and I don't think homophobia or racism is necessarily against the law when in the form of an idea :/

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

You said it yourself, they shout the loudest. Why not hear what they are shouting about, than care about the other parties who sit in silence doing sweet sod all? Besides, the BNP is the most controversial of the other parties, the others would appear too similar or bore worthy :P

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We've all heard about it. They are on the news more than any of the other minority parties for clashes with other groups about their policies.

Infact the following parties have more seats than the BNP: Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, SNP, Democratic unionist, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein, Ulster Unionist, Social Democratic and Labour, Respect, Health Concern and of course Independents.

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

They have NO seats in parliament. NONE! They can't claim to represent the British Electorate when they obviously don't. The Democratic Unionist party on the other hand have 9 Seats but I've never seen them on there, they may have been, but I haven't seen them.

I believe any party that promotes ideologies which are against the law gives up any rights that they may be entitled to as a party.

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The United Kingdom Independance Party have no seats and the Green Party have no seats in the British Parliament, yet they still come on Question Time, more to the point they do represent the British electorate as they came sixth in the European Parliamentary Elections, picking up two seats. The Democratic Unionist Party is a Northern Ireland party and therefore will not be as involved with the mainland as devolution has taken place.

Their ideologies are not against the law as they are not an illegal party, therefore until they are an illegal party it would be democratic of you to actually accept they do represent the British electorate and they are fully entitled to take part in a state funded companies political show.

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Infact the following parties have more seats than the BNP: Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, SNP, Democratic unionist, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein, Ulster Unionist, Social Democratic and Labour, Respect, Health Concern and of course Independents.

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Health Concern do not have any seats in both the European Parliament or the British Parliament, you have made that up. I have already replied as to the Irish issue, and the Welsh & Scottish issues are the same as they have their own parliaments and they are devolved.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I'm still waiting for your answer.

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man you troll lol.


first of all, i never said you were fully behind the BNP?
so that's one point :S

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The United Kingdom Independance Party have no seats and the Green Party have no seats in the British Parliament, yet they still come on Question Time, more to the point they do represent the British electorate as they came sixth in the European Parliamentary Elections, picking up two seats. The Democratic Unionist Party is a Northern Ireland party and therefore will not be as involved with the mainland as devolution has taken place.

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I think you'll find that the European elections do not accuratly portray the electorates views, any person with a decent grounding in Politics knows that and infact you learn it as part of the A Level syllabus. Many people choose to vote for extremist parties as a "Protest vote".

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Their ideologies are not against the law as they are not an illegal party, therefore until they are an illegal party it would be democratic of you to actually accept they do represent the British electorate and they are fully entitled to take part in a state funded companies political show.

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So you are saying that being Homophobic and Denying the Holocaust isnt against the Law?

I would like to add that Health Concern do have a seat in parliament. Although Richard Taylor is officially an independent he is a member of Health Concern and fully advocates their policies in parliament. This is why on most results tables you will see it as Health Concern having recieved one seat in Parliament.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

man you troll lol.


first of all, i never said you were fully behind the BNP?
so that's one point :S

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I troll? - thats a new one.

You implied I was behind the British National Party, attempting to link me to the BNP and then later on in your post you said how the British National Party are racist, therefore you are implying that I am racist.

Maybe now you'd like to tell me how I am racist despite the fact I don't support the British National Party?

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

I think you'll find that the European elections do not accuratly portray the electorates views, any person with a decent grounding in Politics knows that and infact you learn it as part of the A Level syllabus. Many people choose to vote for extremist parties as a "Protest vote".

So you are saying that being Homophobic and Denying the Holocaust isnt against the Law?

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If you knew anything about proportional representation then you would know that it is the most democratic and fair voting system there is, despite its flaws when it creates hung parliaments. You are again, dismissing the results the British National Party got, firstly by trying to imply that they have no representation compared to other partys and now you are telling me that people voted for them as a protest vote.

That may be true, but swing voters always tend to vote for the other side as a protest, just like those who voted Labour in 2005 will swing to Conservative in 2010 as a protest.

I do not know the law inside out, although I do support free speech concerning any historical events, more to the point (the one you keep dismissing) the British National Party are a legal, elected party which hold two seats in the European Parliament and came sixth in the 2009 European Elections.

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I would like to add that Health Concern do have a seat in parliament. Although Richard Taylor is officially an independent he is a member of Health Concern and fully advocates their policies in parliament. This is why on most results tables you will see it as Health Concern having recieved one seat in Parliament.

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If he is not offically Health Concern and is an independant, then he is not Health Concern - end of. There are many examples of that, such as Conservative MP's who vote with Labour and Labour MP's who vote with the Conservatives/Liberal Democrats - they are still a Lib/Lab/Con MP.

when do the monster raving loonies get to go on? :(

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

If you knew anything about proportional representation then you would know that it is the most democratic and fair voting system there is, despite its flaws when it creates hung parliaments. You are again, dismissing the results the British National Party got, firstly by trying to imply that they have no representation compared to other partys and now you are telling me that people voted for them as a protest vote.

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I am fully aware of proportional voting systems and in terms of proportionality the best electoral system is the Additional Members System (AMS). They do have little representation and the additional votes that they have obtained over the General Election will generally be protest votes. The BNP and other extremist parties always do better in the European Elections in terms not only of Seats but percentage also.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I do not know the law inside out, although I do support free speech concerning any historical

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Even when its the denial of 17 Million deaths which is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt? and yes Holocaust Denial is illegal under European Law.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

more to the point (the one you keep dismissing) the British National Party are a legal, elected party which hold two seats in the European Parliament and came sixth in the 2009 European Elections.

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I don't keep dismissing that, not at all. Like I keep saying the European elections do not represent British views. People often vote in protest and even if that weren't true, only 34% of the voting population voted in the Election. This reduces the legitimacy of the victory because it will be more extreme and politically motivated people that are likely to vote and the "drifters" between Labour and the Conservatives won't because they honestly aren't that bothered. If you want electoral results then you have to look at the General Elections.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

That may be true, but swing voters always tend to vote for the other side as a protest, just like those who voted Labour in 2005 will swing to Conservative in 2010 as a protest.

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No, not at all. Protest voters tend to vote for extremist parties whomn they feel have little chance of getting anywhere, hence the term "protest", they are throwing their vote away to say "I don't believe in what my party is doing". However the majority of the British electorate do not realise that they do have a chance of getting somewhere under a proportional voting system.