Unprofessional Moderation

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Originally Posted by H0BJ0B

I won't quote the staff forum's thread regarding rules due to it being against the rules, however the rules clearly state that a member shouldn't criticise another staff member, be it telling them they've broken a rule or disagreeing with them - which is what you said Ben was allowed to do.
I agree completely - staff are allowed to have a personal view and opinion - but they're not allowed to express it for public view if it undermines something another staff member of higher authority has said.

My post did not state Ben or yourself had been rude (despite having a different opinion on this), however I was posting stating that he isn't allowed to contradict what a higher ranking member has said. As stated at the start of my post, I was referring to your post, not this thread.

Again, I do not want to criticise anything you're saying here, and I respect your replies. I feel it would be best to perhaps remove our posts here and continue this elsewhere, due to the fact that this shows no teamwork within the staffing team whatsoever - which I completely understand.

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Referring to what you have said in bold I stated that he was allowed to have an opinion but nowhere have I stated that he is allowed to criticise another member of staff and I can't see he has anywhere in this thread. If anything your last paragraph could also be seen as criticizing staff by some and I also do not see any reason to remove the posts. The opinions here are about the moderation system and I am sure nvrspk4 would would not make a fuss If I disagreed on a point, and in fact I have in the past - he encourages free opinion. This is not criticizing the person it is having an opposing opinion which is allowed. Obviously I would expect Ben to follow my instructions in relation to the Habbox work as I am expected to follow nvrspk4's instructions in respect of my work but that's a completely different issue to having an opinion and being allowed to debate the system freely which quite often leads to improvements being made.

My main issue was your use of "what he likes" in your original rebuttal to my post. I agree that debates will usually lead to improvements being made, and that's how improvements are made - always.

Also, I did state that I understand the posts were wrong to be there, and thus the removal was suggested. I was not stating innocence against criticising anyone here, however was stating in a mannered way that I understand I have been and feel it'd be best to remove them.

Again, the reasoning for my statements suggesting we should remove these posts between you and I is as follows:
- Breaking Forum Rule A11 quoted below:

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A11. Do not post pointlessly – A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post or is meaningless (ghnrgher etc). A pointless thread either has no meaning, is something posted that is not true (e.g. false story in news and rumours) or a thread that doesn't prompt a discussion (eg. post the colour of socks you're wearing).

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- Breaking Staff Rule quoted below:

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remember we are a team and we should be working together not arguing

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- Breaking Staff Code of Conduct Suggestion quoted below:

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You are to set a good example on the forums by keeping to ALL the rules.

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I have no objection against leaving these posts be, however feel for the well-being of Habbox and the maintenance of professionalism we hold, they should be removed from public view.

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Originally Posted by H0BJ0B

My main issue was your use of "what he likes" in your original rebuttal to my post. I agree that debates will usually lead to improvements being made, and that's how improvements are made - always.

Also, I did state that I understand the posts were wrong to be there, and thus the removal was suggested. I was not stating innocence against criticising anyone here, however was stating in a mannered way that I understand I have been and feel it'd be best to remove them.

Again, the reasoning for my statements suggesting we should remove these posts between you and I is as follows:
- Breaking Forum Rule A11 quoted below:

- Breaking Staff Rule quoted below:

- Breaking Staff Code of Conduct Suggestion quoted below:


I have no objection against leaving these posts be, however feel for the well-being of Habbox and the maintenance of professionalism we hold, they should be removed from public view.

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LOL:D so now you are telling me I have broken the rules. Classic! By the way I don't agree. Goodnight. :)

Catzy, I did not tell you you had broken the rules. I had stated that WE had broken the rules, and thus the posts should be removed.

The very reason I started this debate was due to posts such as the one you just made - ridiculing another member with phrases such as, "LOL:D" "Classic!" and "Goodnight. :)", as if you are being sarcastic and smug.

Catzy, I appreciate why you may be angry with me, however I, as stated previously, have involved BOTH of us in this wrong-doing. In order to do that, I myself have had to break another rule - telling one that they had broken a rule. For that, I apologise.

I feel I have kept myself preserved and well-mannered throughout, and believe to end an argument (for lack of a more positive word) in the manner you did was completely inappropriate.

However, it is getting late, and so I bid you farewell also. Good night.

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Originally Posted by H0BJ0B

Catzy, I did not tell you you had broken the rules. I had stated that WE had broken the rules, and thus the posts should be removed.

The very reason I started this debate was due to posts such as the one you just made - ridiculing another member with phrases such as, "LOL:D" "Classic!" and "Goodnight. :)", as if you are being sarcastic and smug.

Catzy, I appreciate why you may be angry with me, however I, as stated previously, have involved BOTH of us in this wrong-doing. In order to do that, I myself have had to break another rule - telling one that they had broken a rule. For that, I apologise.

I feel I have kept myself preserved and well-mannered throughout, and believe to end an argument (for lack of a more positive word) in the manner you did was completely inappropriate.

However, it is getting late, and so I bid you farewell also. Good night.

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No I am not angry and if you found it sarcastic and smug then then that is how you have interpreted it - it was not intended in that way - hence the emoticons. Also I have not ridiculed anybody, anywhere in this thread. Neither of us has broken the rules:

A pointless post is a completely random statement such as 'I am wearing red socks' in the middle of a thread.

You may have been trying to say it is off-topic but that was changed by sierk years ago:

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Rule C18 will be changed so that it is less strict. Posting off topic will from now on be allowed, as long as a post has some relation to a previous post in the thread.
This means it is no longer necessary to stick to the subject of a thread, as long as the post has something to do with an earlier post in the thread.

It is still not allowed to reply to a thread with a post that is completely random, which means it has no relation at all to the subject of the thread or to any other posts in the thread.

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As far as I am concerned it is not an argument - I am just posting an opposing opinion.

Also I do not believe I have broken any rules but if you feel I have please feel free to report it.

I am unsure of where you are quoting this from, as the Forum Rules do not lead on to a C18, and rule A11 is still posted to the public, under Forum Rules, as what I had quoted. Therefore, in effect, we are breaking the rules. If the rules need to be updated, I suggest you contact the relevant person involved (probably MattGarner).

Furthermore, whether you are concerned about it or not, this is an argument. I quote:

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Originally Posted by Dictionary

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1. an oral disagreement; verbal opposition; contention; altercation: a violent argument.
2. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: They were deeply involved in an argument about inflation.

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I then quote you:

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Originally Posted by Catzy

opposing opinion

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Therefore, I believe we have indeed broken the rules. I quote the three rules again:

- Breaking Forum Rule A11 quoted below:

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A11. Do not post pointlessly – A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post or is meaningless (ghnrgher etc). A pointless thread either has no meaning, is something posted that is not true (e.g. false story in news and rumours) or a thread that doesn't prompt a discussion (eg. post the colour of socks you're wearing).

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- Breaking Staff Rule quoted below:

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remember we are a team and we should be working together not arguing

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- Breaking Staff Code of Conduct Suggestion quoted below:

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You are to set a good example on the forums by keeping to ALL the rules.

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Again, I have no objection against leaving these posts be, however feel for the well-being of Habbox and the maintenance of professionalism we hold, they should be removed from public view.

I don't go post crazy or anything, but from what I've noticed the moderation is as consistent as it was in years past.

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Originally Posted by H0BJ0B

I am unsure of where you are quoting this from, as the Forum Rules do not lead on to a C18, and rule A11 is still posted to the public, under Forum Rules, as what I had quoted. Therefore, in effect, we are breaking the rules. If the rules need to be updated, I suggest you contact the relevant person involved (probably MattGarner).

Furthermore, whether you are concerned about it or not, this is an argument. I quote:


I then quote you:


Therefore, I believe we have indeed broken the rules. I quote the three rules again:

- Breaking Forum Rule A11 quoted below:


- Breaking Staff Rule quoted below:


- Breaking Staff Code of Conduct Suggestion quoted below:


Again, I have no objection against leaving these posts be, however feel for the well-being of Habbox and the maintenance of professionalism we hold, they should be removed from public view.

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I think I know the definition of a pointless post, Hobjob, and all Sierk's directions are still in force in respect of off-topic posting whether the number has been amended or not. As I stated before a pointless post has to be something random and completely unconnected with the the thread topic at all. EG brgsbsbsb in the middle of a thread.

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1. an oral disagreement; verbal opposition; contention; altercation: a violent argument.
2. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: They were deeply involved in an argument about inflation

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I would go with number 2 here and would suggest that the rule applies to no 1

Now, I have to admit, that I am getting a little angry so it is best left and you can report my posts if you want to. Thanks.

Well, it isn't "unprofessional" because they aren't professionals. But yes, for the most part they're awful. It's what happens when you give power to kids.

Of course, I understand.

Saying you think you know the rule doesn't change the fact that the current rule enforced is as stated in my posts. That is something you will need to bring up with forum management, as I'm sure you do quite often due to your position.

Furthermore, both 1 and 2 describe the same thing. This is an argument. I believe this has escalated to the level the staff rule is referring to.

I will indeed be reporting both you and I to nvrspk4 for disciplining and the possible removal of these posts.

Thanks, good night.