Should the United Kingdom leave the European Union?

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It exists between EEA members and certain others where free trade has been agreed with.

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..then that is a trade pact, not free trade.

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No it's not, only the latter is 'direct democracy' the other 2 are represntative democracy. Which is what we have.

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No come on now, you do not want a referendum on the European Union because you know the people here and across Europe would vote it down don't you? - you say we should vote in general elections rather than a referendum if we want to leave the EU, but nobody ever asked us if we wanted to be in the European Union.

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The European Union does like us, otherwise we would never have been allowed to join in the first place. Everyone is looking out for number one at the end of the day however destructive it is in the long run.

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That is an interesting statement, is that why the United Kingdom is one of the biggest contributors to the European Union yet recieves little in return apart from a whole barrage of laws from the European Union every year which costs billions to implement and cost business money and time?

..was Tony Blair 'looking out for number one' when he signed away little money we did get in return?

we get all your money, everything in ireland has them "Funded by EU signs" LOL

The EU has its benefits, but like everything, it also has its drawbacks.

The EU is an up and coming supra-nation.

Should we be a part of it because of that? No.

alexxxxx, I think your comment: 'The European Union does like us, otherwise we would never have been allowed to join in the first place. Everyone is looking out for number one at the end of the day however destructive it is in the long run' is wrong but to each their own. You have a sugar-coated view of the EU if that's still how you are thinking, it is very possible that we are part of the EU because of our huge contributions and that the UK is used, not respected.

Is it just a matter of time before we become assimilated? I don't think so, but I do think we need to get ourselves out of debt instead of pouring money into the EU, close our borders and bring power back to the people we vote for. This is a democracy, no?

ok undertaker, ill answer his question:

"what benefits were you talking about?"

think about it, if the UK left the EU we'd be sitting on our dud.

didn't the Independent publish what are the benefits of the EU?

ok lemme think of one on the top of my head, the EU controls what each country can do, and what laws it can make, am i right? as in the sense that they can't persecute people, they must be fair, am i right?


cheaper phone calls! that's always a bonus, and the death penalty is prohibited, which is humane.

anything else you'd like me to answer?

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

ok undertaker, ill answer his question:

"what benefits were you talking about?"

think about it, if the UK left the EU we'd be sitting on our dud.

didn't the Independent publish what are the benefits of the EU?

ok lemme think of one on the top of my head, the EU controls what each country can do, and what laws it can make, am i right? as in the sense that they can't persecute people, they must be fair, am i right?


cheaper phone calls! that's always a bonus, and the death penalty is prohibited, which is humane.

anything else you'd like me to answer?

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Capital punishment would never be legalised in Britain even if we weren't in the EU.

Cheaper phone calls? What about billions of taxpayer money not being spent poured into the EU?

And you are saying that the laws must be fair because all member states have them? That is not true. We are NOT the same as every other member state and the laws being set by the EU are unwanted here, regardless of whether others have to suffer them.

The only pro of the EU is free trade. Everything else is negligible or a con. Aside from free trade we're paying continental Europe tens of billions of £ for some restrictive health and safety regulations.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

ok undertaker, ill answer his question:

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Cool, thanks.

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"what benefits were you talking about?"

think about it, if the UK left the EU we'd be sitting on our dud.

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There are 150+ nations in this world that are also sitting on their 'dud' and many of those do not have the sixth largest economy in the world.

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ok lemme think of one on the top of my head, the EU controls what each country can do, and what laws it can make, am i right? as in the sense that they can't persecute people, they must be fair, am i right?

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You think being controlled by a undemocratic and unelected organisation that the majority of Europe does not want and did not ask for is fair?

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cheaper phone calls! that's always a bonus, and the death penalty is prohibited, which is humane.

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Cheaper phone calls are coming anyway, thats part of a global economy - as things get older it becomes cheaper, nothing to do with the European Union. On the death penalty you are wrong, the European Unions Lisbon Treaty actually has a clause which allows the death penalty to be used.

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anything else you'd like me to answer?

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Yes, i'd like a good response to what i've just wrote.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Cool, thanks.



There are 150+ nations in this world that are also sitting on their 'dud' and many of those do not have the sixth largest economy in the world

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which is why the UK shouldn't be on its' own, keeping in with Europe for trade benefits

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You think being controlled by a undemocratic and unelected organisation that the majority of Europe does not want and did not ask for is fair?

Cheaper phone calls are coming anyway, thats part of a global economy - as things get older it becomes cheaper, nothing to do with the European Union. On the death penalty you are wrong, the European Unions Lisbon Treaty actually has a clause which allows the death penalty to be used.

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I don't think undemocratic and unelected would be fair, although they were unelected, we still managed to vote for the EEC. I think the EU is democratic, surely if it wasn't, our MEP's would be turned away?

However with the death penatly on the new Lisbon Treaty, I'll agree with you, I think it's wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

which is why the UK shouldn't be on its' own, keeping in with Europe for trade benefits

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Where are these benefits?

We pay more in than we get out.
We don't need to be locked in a trade club.
The UK economy is far big enough to trade and be independant.

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I don't think undemocratic and unelected would be fair, although they were unelected, we still managed to vote for the EEC. I think the EU is democratic, surely if it wasn't, our MEP's would be turned away?

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The European Economic Community was a economic community, not a European political, social and economic union.

The British people have NEVER been asked if they want to be a part of the European Union.

However with the death penatly on the new Lisbon Treaty, I'll agree with you, I think it's wrong.[/QUOTE]

..then why did you say the EU prohibits the death penalty, if anything it makes it more likely to be used now.