'Al-Qaeda links' suspect probed over US plane 'attack'

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Originally Posted by Saurav

You say increase security but do not search older citizens? :S
They should be allowed to search anyone, regardless of their age.

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Yes they should, but only with reason. I do not see the possibility of a British 80 odd year old being an islamic terrorist whos planning to blow everyone up. If they are acting suspicious, then yes by all means search them.. but come on - a bit of common sense please.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Liberty does not became above all. The fact a government has done all it can to prevent me from dying is what I want, and that includes scanning everybody. If you have a system everyone has to go through it reduces the risk of tampering, unlike your suggestions of certain people not being scanned based on appearance, age etc. Just months ago you were claiming the current security in Airports worked.

And you may well be right, perhaps the next big terrorist attack will come from the inside, however until security in airports in increased by better naked body scanners, there will be more attempts to blow up planes by simple terrorists, that needs to be eradicated.

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Liberty does come before all, millions across the Empire gave their lives so that we could stay free. Afterall thats what Conservatism is, small state. On the current security, it does work yes although as I have said, older people being searched it just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yes they should, but only with reason. I do not see the possibility of a British 80 odd year old being an islamic terrorist whos planning to blow everyone up. If they are acting suspicious, then yes by all means search them.. but come on - a bit of common sense please.

Liberty does come before all, millions across the Empire gave their lives so that we could stay free. Afterall thats what Conservatism is, small state. On the current security, it does work yes although as I have said, older people being searched it just ridiculous.

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I seriously don't think the people who have given up their lives for us would of cared all that much about national databases, DNA and airport scanners. It's brought security they've never had. And at the end of the day we still are free, just because someone has seen you naked for a split second, does not mean that we've lost the vote etc.

This attempted terrorism attack is evidence that current security does not work and that we need to be more open to new ideas and technologies.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

I seriously don't think the people who have given up their lives for us would of cared all that much about national databases, DNA and airport scanners. It's brought security they've never had. And at the end of the day we still are free, just because someone has seen you naked for a split second, does not mean that we've lost the vote etc.

This attempted terrorism attack is evidence that current security does not work and that we need to be more open to new ideas and technologies.

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I do - just because we have advanced in technology does not mean liberty and rights can be sanctioned in the face of a very low threat, especially when you have no idea whos coming in or out or whos staying in the country. One step forward and two steps back.

We should not sanction liberty for security. You say its only 'for a second' and 'its only a scanner' but all these things add up, more CCTV than communist China which has more than 10 times our population? - absurd to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Wolves,

I sound silly for being worried that the plane I'm going on may be blown up in mid-air by some Islamic extremist, so that's being a big girls blouse? Also when you said 'There's more chance of winning the lottery', what? how did you work this out? I was only saying it because I am flying to America on a transatlantic flight, like the one that only two days ago nearly got blown out of the sky.

Forgive me for being a little worried that I may die. (but yeah I agree, it'll probably never happen! ;))

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Yes, because the chances of it happening are so very tiny! You wouldn't have been worried a month ago, or when there was no attack. What was so hard to understand about the lottery statement? You have a 1 in 14 million chance of winning the lottery. Now look how many times per year there are terrorist attacks on planes that cause fatalities... many years there are 0, some years there are one or two, but look at how many flights there are... millions. Look, take the amount of flights in the past 10 years and count how many terrorist attacks happened. There will be millions of flights and hardly any attacks in comparison.

You could die getting out of the bath. You could die crossing the road. Do you worry then? If so then you worry too much. But in all honesty we can die doing anything. You probably have more chance of slipping in the bath and breaking your neck than being blown up by terrorists on a plane. ;)

I understand that you may be a bit more worried by this, but you shouldn't be "********" yourself over it.

Terrorists are more likely to attack a transatlantic flight from Europe rather than a flight from Paris to Athens. So you're more chance in winning the lottery quote is a bit off the mark (I'm sure there have been hundreds of thousands of flights to the USA from the UK, but not millions).

Terrorism is always going to be around and affecting us all no matter what. You can't just stop it, but you can prevent it. Being in the EU or out of it won't stop it anyway. What we need to do is have very good security. CCTV helps no matter what some people say, we may have too many cameras in this country but it helps when you want to track down a person.

Naked body scanners > This is a must thing for all airports around the world that have airliners flying in and out of them. I think we these it would of stopped that guy entering the plane with the device in his boxers. Yes, people don't like it because of the "naked" bit. But I rather be safe on an aircraft then having a huge risk of the plane being blown up in mid-air.

Everyone should be searched > I'm sorry but it doesn't matter how old they are, or what their skin colour is or religion. Anyone can be a terrorist and searches and so on should be made on any person they feel that is a risk.

If we want to prevent serious attacks, we need the security in place.

Kinda did this in a rush.

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Originally Posted by Wolves,

Terrorists are more likely to attack a transatlantic flight from Europe rather than a flight from Paris to Athens. So you're more chance in winning the lottery quote is a bit off the mark (I'm sure there have been hundreds of thousands of flights to the USA from the UK, but not millions).

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They probably are, but that doesn't mean there's a higher chance that they will within the next few days just because there was a botched attack the other day. As for that quote, okay, I can't get an exact statistic, but I'm sure it'd be not too far off. My original point is that you still shouldn't be ******** yourself because it'd be very very very unlikely that the terrorist gets on your exact flight at the exact time on the exact day to the exact destination. So many factors come into play. Like I said before, you probably have more chance of slipping in the bath and breaking your neck than getting blown up on a flight by terrorists. Don't forget security will be upped now as well.

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Originally Posted by MattGarner

Terrorism is always going to be around and affecting us all no matter what. You can't just stop it, but you can prevent it. Being in the EU or out of it won't stop it anyway. What we need to do is have very good security. CCTV helps no matter what some people say, we may have too many cameras in this country but it helps when you want to track down a person.

Naked body scanners > This is a must thing for all airports around the world that have airliners flying in and out of them. I think we these it would of stopped that guy entering the plane with the device in his boxers. Yes, people don't like it because of the "naked" bit. But I rather be safe on an aircraft then having a huge risk of the plane being blown up in mid-air.

Everyone should be searched > I'm sorry but it doesn't matter how old they are, or what their skin colour is or religion. Anyone can be a terrorist and searches and so on should be made on any person they feel that is a risk.

If we want to prevent serious attacks, we need the security in place.

Kinda did this in a rush.

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People who don't like those naked body scanners are obviously embarrassed about their package size down below :rolleyes:

Only joking.

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Originally Posted by MattGarner

Terrorism is always going to be around and affecting us all no matter what. You can't just stop it, but you can prevent it. Being in the EU or out of it won't stop it anyway. What we need to do is have very good security. CCTV helps no matter what some people say, we may have too many cameras in this country but it helps when you want to track down a person.

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You can't have any real security when you don't have control over your European borders. On the CCTV point, it was recently found out that something like only 1 in 1000 cameras catch a crime a year, they do not work. What works is putting police on the streets and harsher penalties for crime, thats works.

Putting extra police on streets wouldn't work, you'd need a million police officers to stop all crimes. Fact is, if crime didn't exist, some people would be a lot poorer, people make money out of it, for some people it makes there worlds go around - its what they do. If you were to stop all crime, whilst we knows its bad, it can never be stopped and people depend upon it to live.