Who should win the next General Election? [ENDS 07/02/2010]

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

UKIP do not want to end immigration, all I want and all UKIP wants, and what most people want is just some form on control over it to stop the extremists and the criminals getting in - what is so hard to understand about that simple concept? It is so simple yet so far. On the referendums, i'm afraid Switzerland manages it and they have far less money made by their smaller economy every year, the money we'd save by leaving the European Union and slashing red tape would easily pay for referendums and many many other things. You are scratching at the walls now Jake.

UKIP would deal with the hard-hitting issues on a national level, such as the European Union and the death penalty. As I asked earlier on, since you said you were pretty sure when push comes to shove the death penalty would not pass here, do you accept the fact we should have a referendum on it then?

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Why do you want to prevent something which this country was built on? I don't know their policies but don't they want an immigration freeze for 5 years? Here. What the hell? That would cripple the country and parts of the economy rather than tackle it. I'm sure if you traced your family back enough, you'd be an immigrant too. They want a points system? Why? We need more than just skilled workers, we need workers who will do the tasks that British people refuse to do or are mocked by society for doing. Can you not see this? They are essential to Britain and it's been that way for hundreds of years.

Back to the death penalty issue. I don't believe it would be passed, no. There would be a mass revolt if it was. If it was even being considered, the ruling class would see that it wasn't passed anyway, i.e. people with intellect to realise what a ridiculous suggestion it is. We criticise China and other states for continuing with punishments suited to the Dark Ages, why would we want to go backwards. Holding a referendum would probably cost millions, something we could do without and which could be used for much more constructive means.

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Why do you want to prevent something which this country was built on? I don't know their policies but don't they want an immigration freeze for 5 years? Here. What the hell? That would cripple the country and parts of the economy rather than tackle it. I'm sure if you traced your family back enough, you'd be an immigrant too. They want a points system? Why? We need more than just skilled workers, we need workers who will do the tasks that British people refuse to do or are mocked by society for doing. Can you not see this? They are essential to Britain and it's been that way for hundreds of years.

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Wrong Jake, we both know immigration was different back then. The problem now is very very very simple; the wrong type of people are getting into this country, extremists and criminals. UKIP propose a 5 year freeze because its the only way we can sort out the current problems, this government does not know who is here Jake - do you see the very big problem with that?

That means we need to freeze immigration for a period of 5 years or less, when the problem is sorted then introduce a new system which will only allow those who we want and need into this country. As usual its almost next to impossible to have a debate over immigration because you are doing what the left has always done by saying; either you support large-scale, uncontrolled immigration or you support no immigration at all - wrong. UKIP and myself do not want to stop immigration, neither do the majority of the British people. All we want is some form of control, something that isn't even up for debate in most other countries. It is your type of view that you hold and the ruling leftist-elite hold that drives people to the BNP.

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Back to the death penalty issue. I don't believe it would be passed, no. There would be a mass revolt if it was. If it was even being considered, the ruling class would see that it wasn't passed anyway, i.e. people with intellect to realise what a ridiculous suggestion it is. We criticise China and other states for continuing with punishments suited to the Dark Ages, why would we want to go backwards. Holding a referendum would probably cost millions, something we could do without and which could be used for much more constructive means.

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How would there be a mass revolt if something that got passed in a referendum? - that would be like me saying if the Conservatives formed the next government with a 70% majority there would be a mass revolt. :rolleyes: On the death penalty in China, again wrong. We criticise China for using the death penalty for political means, most people in this country would agree with the notion of execution for the likes of Ian Huntley are so forth.

On the referendum, do not preach about costs when you support Labour. The referendums would cost buttons compared to what we spend on the European Union and lots of other wasteful things every year. You only are mentioning costs (which you never have criticised Labour for despite Labour spending and spending) because you are scratching at the walls for an excuse not to support giving a referendum to the British public.

I shall ask again, if you are so confident that a referendum would not pass, why are you so against the idea of giving the British people a say on the matter? ..could it possibly be the fact you know it would pass and you think your opinion is worth more than that of the majority?

I wonder.