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i personally thought clegg won the immigration debate. brown seemed to have no plans but to tighten up the points based system. cameron's blitz on just a blind number i thought was quite clearly misguided. clegg's work permit in specific areas of work and in specific areas of the country is a MUCH better idea. All that will happen with Cameron's is that the number will simply run out about october time each year meaning that businesses lose out and you'll get a backlog in january.
What I wrote was just my opinion, if you believe he did then that's fine. In my mind he came across as pretty much a snake who had nothing much to say except "you've had 13 years, you haven't sorted it so why now..?" He was repetitive and boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattFr
Agreed. I'd certainly consider the Lib Dems but my heart does belong with Labour. Funnily enough my mum has also mentioned perhaps voting for the Lib Dems following this :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Titch
As usual the massive elephant in the room is not mentioned which is the European Union, it is a whitewash because you cannot control immigration or crime properly without leaving the European Union. As a add on note; to those who are interested watch BBC One now as Question Time is coming on.
thatll come under international affairs, which is on either SKY or BBC i can't remember. this was for soley domestic issues i believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
and to answer the immigration and crime bit, we could improve our crime fighting if we were to co-operate more with european police, something that britain is very apprehensive about.
I'll be watching it on iPlayer afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
I thought Alastair Stewart did a fantastic job.Quote:
Originally Posted by StefanWolves
Wow, not biased at all are we. Cameron was as bad as Brown at dodging the questions. While they were busy arguing about helicopters, Clegg seemed to be raising some valid and useful points. Out of the three, Clegg repeated himself the least. His point about scrapping Trident based on the fact this isn't the 20th century Cold War any more is a very justifiable method of cutting expenditure. Cameron was using his family to win votes which is disgusting. And you're bashing the host? At one point he actually saved Cameron from having to answer a tricky question put to him by Brown by cutting him off. You did realise there was a time limit for each person as they spoke, right? You know, it's people like you that just push me further and further away from whatever you're preaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by jam666
As for Brown, all he did was agree with any good points put forward by the other two and whenever he was backed into a corner he just laughed. You can't just laugh away all your problems. We need answers and solutions. Cameron's point about how Labour have had 13 years to put their words into action is completely true. What's the point in getting to a month before a general election and then start raving on about all the amazing things you're going to do. Why not just do them during the time you've been in office, which is over a decade, then we'd actually be able to see how awesome Labour is. There's no use whining to us about it now.
The main thing I drew from all that is that Labour and the Tories are pretty much the same party. If they were the only three parties then I'd be voting Lib Dem. I think at this point it's between them and UKIP.
I have been saying that Nick Clegg comes over as the most believable for the last couple of weeks in C/A and he did tonight. He came over the best - no doubt about it. Then Gordon Brown who didn't do as bad as I thought. David Cameron just comes over as Mr. Plastic to me although I am sure he is really a nice guy. He really made a gaffe by criticising the 7% increase for NHS Managers while addressing an NHS Manager - I thought that was hysterical
Nick Clegg may not do so well i the international or economy debates though but we will see. I am sure the Lib Dems will rise in the polls after this. Problem they have is that they are untested really in Government.
Cameron didn't dodge the questions at all, he actually answered them unlike the other two who baffled on and on about things which didn't relate to the question at all. However Cleggs policy on Trident is VERY ALARMING. Yes your right, we DONT live in in the cold war era, BUT we DO live with a threat posed by IRAN and NORTH KOREA. If trident were scrapped we would be a significant disadvantage as it acts as a deterrent for other country's. As a result, you want to scrap it, were defenceless which is a VERY DANGEROUS position to be in.
Of course I'm bashing the host, if you actually WATCHED the program you could clearly see Alistair was cutting the leaders off in key moments of their answers. The only person NOT to break the rules was David Cameron as the other two wouldn't shut up when their time was up so don't give meas of course I realise there was a time limit but it was rather obvious Clegg and Brown didn't realise this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi
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Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi
Its also people like you, who are deluded and cannot see the debates for what they were as I previously said.
I also found Nick Cleggs body language to be absolutely terrible. Sorry but having your hand in your pocket clearly shows you are un-interested and dont actually care and as a result if he doesnt care then why should other people?
I hated the way Cameron stood. I lol'd when Gordon Brown asked him questions and he dodged them. Cameron didn't even say what he would really do about immigration, while the other two did in their 1 minute.
I will reply to several posts tomorrow as I am quite tired at the moment.
Cameron might regret taking part in these debates.
Did you actually watch the program?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dander