Obama vs McCain

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Originally Posted by Ezzie.

I think the idea was all Americas- ie, if you're a true patriotic american you will vote for Obama, but I'm not too sure on that.

Declaring war I'm not sure about.. the president is the command in chief so surely could declare if he so choosed too.

It's not showing weakness atall, we have removed a cruel dictator, that was one of the only good things about it really.. it was pointless to go in, there were no evidence for WMD's, although Saddam was a cruel, vindictive man the costs of going after him and fighting in that area, plus the lives of american and british soldiers. It's quite a price for a man who will eventually fade away like every other dictator has done in the past.

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Saddam Hussein was brutal yes, but thats the only way you can control a Middle Eastern country. Just look at Iraq under Hussein, Saudi Arabia under it's Royal Family and Iran under its hardline government - they are doing much better than countries such as Pakistan & Palestine whos governments fall apart all the time, corruption is rife and its basically a mess.

Saddam may of been brutal, but before him their were no roads, no water supplies, no electric, Iraq was basically a useless desert. Saddam gave women more human rights than most Middle Eastern countries, allowed them to have higher jobs, scrapped the Sharia law which is known for its biased towards women and its brutallity in the smallest of matters.

Then we came along and destroyed Iraq and leading it into a unsure future, out of a war which has destroyed the United States' world standing in moral responsibility and the same with the United Kingdom.

Rep who gave you?

Jake :P

Jake's a noob :P

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Originally Posted by Dentafrice

She can tell her parents.. that's what they are there for?

I'm just saying.. there are other options then waiting and then saying.. what am I going to do? Then you're forced to decide between having the baby, or abortion.. not like in the early stages where you have more then those options.

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The sad truth is though, loads of girls and even boys who have had sexual intercourse with girls without protection, will not tell their parents. They fear that they'll be told off or considering dirty or stupid, even though in some cases the parents will say this anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dentafrice

If a 12 year old gets raped by her uncle, I think it would be pretty wise for her to ******* tell someone.. not wait 9 months and say.. oh yeah.. I'm due to have a baby next week.. Uncle Billy-Bob raped me..

They can take care of these things the next morning.. or the next day.. and the baby is gone for good, but no.. they decide to wait.. and then abortion does become an option.. which is stupid, because it was their fault it came to that.

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Pull that church out your ass and have some sense... She'd just been raped by her uncle, don't you think she'd be a little scared her parents might do it too...

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Pull that church out your ass and have some sense... She'd just been raped by her uncle, don't you think she'd be a little scared her parents might do it too...

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Pull that stupidity out of your ass, and have some sense..

If my uncle hit me.. that doesn't mean my parents would hit me..? and vise versa.

When I got hit by my parents when I was young, I didn't turn around and think.. hey.. my uncle might hit me.. or my grandpa might hit me..

That's just a ******* stupid way of looking at it.

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Originally Posted by Dentafrice

Pull that stupidity out of your ass, and have some sense..

If my uncle hit me.. that doesn't mean my parents would hit me..? and vise versa.

When I got hit by my parents when I was young, I didn't turn around and think.. hey.. my uncle might hit me.. or my grandpa might hit me..

That's just a ******* stupid way of looking at it.

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Being raped isn't exactly the same as a a parent hitting you for being bad.... People generally break down after being raped... they start to blame themselves, become scared of everything....

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Being raped isn't exactly the same as a a parent hitting you for being bad.... People generally break down after being raped... they start to blame themselves, become scared of everything....

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Of course it isn't the same thing..

But that doesn't explain the stupidity of your statement above.. they are afraid their parents would do it too?

Of course.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dentafrice

Of course it isn't the same thing..

But that doesn't explain the stupidity of your statement above.. they are afraid their parents would do it too?

Of course.. :rolleyes:

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A family member has just raped you... who do you trust?

My parents.. the people I've been with all the years of my life.. not my uncle, who has a family of his own.. and I don't see near 1/4th as much as I do my parents.. =\

Bearing in mind the subject is 12 years old and probably has little understanding of what is going on do you really expect her to not be affected by what has happened...

You really aren't getting this Denta >_<

I'm getting it.. I just have an American/pro-choice point of view, and you don't.

It's the exact same the other way around, I could be saying "You really aren't getting this" also.

That's why pro-choice and pro-life people argue.

How is a 12 year old girl being forcibly raped and told she has to have the child life? Explain. Where's the 'choice' in that eh?

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Originally Posted by Technologic

How is a 12 year old girl being forcibly raped and told she has to have the child life? Explain. Where's the 'choice' in that eh?

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Where's the choice in having the baby, or having it pulled out of her in little pieces two months down the road?

Because that's where it's going to get to.. when it's her "choice".. it's either that.. or have the baby.

So you've just gotten raped by a guy in a parking lot.. you're going to have a baby, and you have the choice two months down the road: have the baby (and give it hope of having life.. adoption, etc) or take care of it with abortion..

So choose:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...02_468x343.jpg

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/Abortion...tion-08-01.jpg

http://rottenamerica.net/images/Abortion/abortion05.jpg (Be warned image in link grotesque)


It's really.. "her choice".. that's pathetic.

Obama to win, I think mcain is to old.

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Originally Posted by Dentafrice

Where's the choice in having the baby, or having it pulled out of her in little pieces two months down the road?

Because that's where it's going to get to.. when it's her "choice".. it's either that.. or have the baby.

So you've just gotten raped by a guy in a parking lot.. you're going to have a baby, and you have the choice two months down the road: have the baby (and give it hope of having life.. adoption, etc) or take care of it with abortion..

So choose:




It's really.. "her choice".. that's pathetic.

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What part of 'she is a 12 year old girl with little understanding of these things' do you not understand?

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Originally Posted by Technologic

What part of 'she is a 12 year old girl with little understanding of these things' do you not understand?

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I understand it perfectly, that's why the **** she talks to her parents about it.. or someone.. and if they don't.. that's their own fault, because it's going to come up down the road..

Hey mom.. I'm just gaining weight for no apparent reason.. there's going to have to be some answers sometime..

When I was 12 years old.. I understood sex perfectly well.. just like any other normal 12 year old.. when your 12, you're one year away from being a teenager..

When you're 12 you're 3 years from learning to drive..

It's not like this is a six year old.. twelve year olds can halfway think on their own..

So in your mind a 12 year old has knowledge of how to raise a child, is able to cope with the emotional and physical stress of childbirth, is able to cope with rape and is fully aware of the consequences if she feels to scared to talk to her parents about it?

Palin already said she wouldn't let her own daughter have an abortion if she was raped..she's a fundamentalist and a hick, incest is common to people like her. Besides, McCain is more liberal than she is and supports abortion under circumstances like rape.

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

Palin already said she wouldn't let her own daughter have an abortion if she was raped..she's a fundamentalist and a hick, incest is common to people like her. Besides, McCain is more liberal than she is and supports abortion under circumstances like rape.

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I couldn't have said it better myself

Denta- can I just ask how far you go with pro choice ideals?
My mum had to have an abortion because the child had a desease which would've killed the child within a few hours/days, would've had the child deaf, blind, in alot of pain, not able to move properly, unable to talk properly, basically completely physically and mentally handicapped? Should that child be born? (my other brother got it and died at four, and another child also got it but died in the womb, 1/4 chance of me getting it)

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=...epage_carousel

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Originally Posted by Sc0tteh

Redwhateveryournameis; the way he structured the sentence was "All americans vote for obama" If he was saying to all americans, to vote for obama it would be been constructed like this; "All americans, vote for obama"

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calm down there, nervous rick. i was merely pointing out your misinterpretation of his post, not defending his grammar.

Lol, arnie criticising obama's physique?

http://www.popular-pics.com/ppimages...fore-after.jpg

It's a running for presidency, not the Mr World competition though.

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

It's a running for presidency, not the Mr World competition though.

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Very true
Although I love Arnie for his roles in the movies he's played.. he's about as knowledgable on politics as Chuck Norris is (see on youtube where he gets completely devastated in a debate )

Whoever wins, it affects everyone.

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Originally Posted by Fugato

Whoever wins, it affects everyone.

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Exactly, thats why we cant let someone like Obama who wants to pull out of a war get president! he doesnt even believe in clean energy!!! teet he is

I hope McCain wins i really do!

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Originally Posted by Blue.Neon

Exactly, thats why we cant let someone like Obama who wants to pull out of a war get president! he doesnt even believe in clean energy!!! teet he is

I hope McCain wins i really do!

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if we pull out of the war, we spend less money and therefore improve our fianacial position.

And we are gonna get bombed again if we are in Iraq or not.

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Originally Posted by Blue.Neon

Exactly, thats why we cant let someone like Obama who wants to pull out of a war get president! he doesnt even believe in clean energy!!! teet he is

I hope McCain wins i really do!

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lol! Look: you're some racist thing from the north that moans about tax and black people. It's quite obvious why you don't want Obama to be president.

mcain supports incest. andshe wants abortion clinics removed

i for one are against abortion clinics but if you want to look after girls babies especialy ones which are from rape or incest go ahead but oboma gets my vote.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

if we pull out of the war, we spend less money and therefore improve our fianacial position.

And we are gonna get bombed again if we are in Iraq or not.

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Wrong, if we pull out of the war, less is spent on the war but that money will be spent on something else, so either way its money, it also means the people that was in the war will be back to the US/UK which means they will need jobs etc when not in combat or whatever, so either way.

Obama.

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Originally Posted by Sc0tteh

Wrong, if we pull out of the war, less is spent on the war but that money will be spent on something else, so either way its money, it also means the people that was in the war will be back to the US/UK which means they will need jobs etc when not in combat or whatever, so either way.

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No.. more units will be sent to Afghanistan.
The money will be spent on sorting out the economic crisis, tax reliefs etc.
The iraq government has a massive surplus of cash, so they can start paying now to support their own country and America can sort it's own country out also.

Time iraq sorts its country there'll be no surplus..

If units move from iraq to afghanistan there wont be any less money spent so there won't be money to spend on the economic crisis?

There's one day to go until we find out :o

I'd choose Obama.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N6voHeEa3ig
I mean..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQCJXpbKg

Obama, obviously.