iPhone - Good idea? [Closes 10/02/07]

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12-01-2007, 05:04 PM
CrazyCali

For me. I like the phone, but yea it is overpriced. If they can get no one to come in to buy it then maybe they will lower prices. With that money you can get so much more like a PS3 or a wii and something else lol. But I do like the design of it. But maybe we should give them a chance to expand like other products.
12-01-2007, 06:23 PM
Frodo13.

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Originally Posted by Pitch

Shameful imo. They overcharge for ipods, and i would never even consider buying one of their products after the scandal that was uncovered. However, most markets nowadays are conquered by the over-priced, un-designed junk that people try to use as a status symbol. Point of a £300 phone? To beat the jones's thats it, id rather spend £100 or less, get it decent and then spend the rest on good times, or save it for my car (YAY!). Apple as a company are struggling, even with iPod, the mac isnt making enough so theyre trying to expand, which is understandable but pointless. They should just advertise iPod and iMac more, lower the prices, or build them in bigger bulk to lower prices. Its not as bad as windows terrible attempt at a phone/mp3, but it isnt far off. Nokia, siemens and whoever else are decent,, samsung, will catch on, undercut them on price and woohoo > another billion wasted.

100% disagree. Apple make the most popular mp3 player in the world, and Im sure most people agree? You can get ipods for less then £90 and its peoples choise if they want the cheaper ipod, with less song, or the expensive ones for more songs

OK, so Microsoft are the dominate ones for computers, but you can't say that Mac is a failure. They are extreamly popular for office work and graphic design...where Microsoft is more home use.

For a business to survive, it needs to expand its market mix, which basiclly means increase its number of products. Eventually, people will get bored of ipods and Macs. This happens with any product and it is what you call the decline stage of what is called the product life cycle. All Apple simply need to do is create a new product, which is what they are doing arnt they?

And as for the bit where Apple is strugling, a company with a Revenue of $19.3 billion is not about to be put into the ground any time soon...

Apple are simply jumping on the waggon of the mobile comunications market. They may not dominate it, but I think they will be a major player in that market...afterall, it is Apple!
12-01-2007, 11:10 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

I do agree that Windows are better for most companies dealing with large databases. But this thread is about iPhones and we are kind of getting off topic.

Here is a cool video I found that shows a lot of stuff the iPod can and cant do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

for anyone who doesnt know about it and wants to be in the debate I would recomend watching that video first to get a back ground.

Looks cool to me. Would be funny if in the future it was a huge hit and everyone had iPhones and we looked back at this thread.

In that video they make it seem that they've never had e-mail, contact or internet combo phones...

Wow, you're live on the internet... They've been able to do that for years. They make it seem like it's a new thing... The only impressive thing about it is the touchscreen capabilities? They've had MP3 players in phones for a few years now, not to mention internet, e-mail etc.
12-01-2007, 11:41 PM
^.^

I think Apple have done a great job with their Ipod series includin the original,the ipod nano, the ipod video their ipod shuffle wasnt a good idea in my opinion but ive looked at the phones specification a nice 2mega pixel camera, touch sensitive screen and fast easy access to the internet makes this a good mobile in my opinion, im hoping they provide a stylus and a better screen different from the ipod nano im asking for this because the ipod nano screen scratches to easily unless you have your own case any ipod nano owner would agree with me there lol. I think this is a great phone overall maybe a tiny bit over priced but probably not intended for the younger audience will probably be used as a business phone as shown on the ipod nano site. You may say look at the price so what they have the freedom to sell their products for what they want and ive had no problems with an apple product in the past...
12-01-2007, 11:53 PM
Papershop

to be quite fair, the first to advance from the usually mobile phone is logically the company who will succeed better. Because any other phones produced which are "like" the new iphone, will be seen as just cheap rip offs.
13-01-2007, 12:11 AM
Mentor

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Originally Posted by Papershop

to be quite fair, the first to advance from the usually mobile phone is logically the company who will succeed better. Because any other phones produced which are "like" the new iphone, will be seen as just cheap rip offs.

other than touchscreen the iphone is pretty much inferior to normal phones you could have got a few years back, never lown what you can get now "/ And thats not even talking about the top of the range ones with the iphone aria prices "/
13-01-2007, 12:19 AM
HUGECOOL

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

In that video they make it seem that they've never had e-mail, contact or internet combo phones...

Wow, you're live on the internet... They've been able to do that for years. They make it seem like it's a new thing... The only impressive thing about it is the touchscreen capabilities? They've had MP3 players in phones for a few years now, not to mention internet, e-mail etc.

Yes, these capabilities have been on mobile devices for quite a while now, but the iPhone improves on areas where no improvement had been made. For example, the internet browser. Although Internet connectivity has been possible, the actual experience is limited. The iPhone uses a mobile port of the Safari browser which allows the user to access the Internet in its entirety, not some shrunken down version of websites. The browser also allows for multiple website browsing. Kinda like having tabs on your mobile browser. As far as MP3 goes, the iPhone is basically a widescreen iPod when the iPod functionality is enabled. Yes, other phones have had mp3-playing capabilities before, but again, the support was limited while having a full featured iPod on the phone will only improve the experience. The e-mail function on the iPhone is a desktop-class e-mail client which makes for improved e-mail capabilities on a mobile device. They're not making it seem like these things are new, but showing how their product can do these things (and more) in a more user-friendly fashion.
13-01-2007, 12:37 AM
Mentor

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Yes, these capabilities have been on mobile devices for quite a while now, but the iPhone improves on areas where no improvement had been made. For example, the internet browser. Although Internet connectivity has been possible, the actual experience is limited. The iPhone uses a mobile port of the Safari browser which allows the user to access the Internet in its entirety, not some shrunken down version of websites.

And most mobile phones use opera, which is also a full internet browser, theres also a version of firefox(cant remember project code name) you can install on to them if you felt like it o.0

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The browser also allows for multiple website browsing. Kinda like having tabs on your mobile browser.

Operas had tabs way before any other browser, sames true one the phones :rolleyes:

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As far as MP3 goes, the iPhone is basically a widescreen iPod when the iPod functionality is enabled. Yes, other phones have had mp3-playing capabilities before, but again, the support was limited while having a full featured iPod on the phone will only improve the experience.

In what way, sony phones run the walkman software which is superior to ipods in compatablty and format useage anyway?

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The e-mail function on the iPhone is a desktop-class e-mail client which makes for improved e-mail capabilities on a mobile device.

normal phones will even run gmail, way better than any apple crap, and thats compairng phone gmail to actual apple email apps.

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They're not making it seem like these things are new, but showing how their product can do these things (and more) in a more user-friendly fashion.

Yet, in every case you stated its inferior to whats already avaible?
13-01-2007, 02:30 AM
HUGECOOL

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

And most mobile phones use opera, which is also a full internet browser, theres also a version of firefox(cant remember project code name) you can install on to them if you felt like it o.0

Operas had tabs way before any other browser, sames true one the phones :rolleyes:

Not really. Opera does Small-Screen Rendering. It doesn't really show the whole website. The site is processed through a server and made smaller. Sure, all the content of the website is there, but the website itself is not the same if you were to view it on a regular computer browser.

This is what I mean:

Safari on iPhone:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/397...576404oyx8.jpg

Opera's Mobile Browser + Opera Mini:
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5...e9478dokb5.png

That was the closes example I could find. Both browsers are on The New York Times website, but as you can see, the content is very different when juxtaposed. What I mean by that is, the one on the iPhone is much better. Websites do not adjust to the phone. Instead the browser adjusts to the websites. Also, because of the accelerometer in the iPhone, websites can be viewed at either 480×320 or 320×480, which is currently not possible on phones today.

iPhone browser with wide resolution:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/869...93d4ccmkc9.jpg

Mozilla's mobile project is called 'Minimo', and in my opinion from what I've seen, (other than its tabbed browsing) it makes Opera's mobile browser look godly.

Minimo on Wikipedia, with tabbed browsing:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2414/minimocj4.jpg

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In what way, sony phones run the walkman software which is superior to ipods in compatablty and format useage anyway?

That means squat. People don't generally care what's superior when it comes to technology. Why is the iPod so popular if its technologically inferior? The iPod is more widely recognized and so is the software it uses. Superior or not, the public prefers it.

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normal phones will even run gmail, way better than any apple crap, and thats compairng phone gmail to actual apple email apps.

so that pretty much leaves everyone without a gmail account out of that convenience, right? And again, it's third-party.

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Yet, in every case you stated its inferior to whats already avaible?

How did I say it was inferior? "/ I may have compared to to today's technology, but haven't labeled it inferior. All I have done so far is point out how the iPhone will change the way things are done compared to today's mobile phones. It isn't inferior, but also isn't superior. Some technology is new or improved, but for the most part, its features are more user-friendly than whats currently available out of the box from cell phone manufacturers.
13-01-2007, 08:41 AM
summer

about the 'overpriced' thing.

i'm guessing you'll probably be able to get it for nothing if you get it on contract though?

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