My Views on ClubHabbo and Sulake

Becs is a bit of an (another word for donkey). She does seem to be pretty bad at her job. What does she actually do? Her e-mails are pretty crap and I've noticed she goes on any Habbo Radio possible. That's all I know.

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Originally Posted by Oakenfold

There are also a few hundred habbo's being scammed and hacked each week but I dont see Sulake running to the rescue and replacing there furni.

Why would these be any different ?

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I was stating Sulake shouldn't refund them if they did fake the hackings. When you get scammed it is your fault for not using common sense "/ And for hackings, it is stated they don't take the blame for user ignorance. Get a proper firewall and spy-ware scanner, and a password which doesn't have words. With or without digits replacing letters "/

Becs cares about community and it's users, but thinks of nothing for the people who try to spoil it, people like you. People who are willing to destroy what others have worked hard for simply because you got into house keeping. Justine only ever cared about her friends and elite group.

Becs pours her heart and soul, and it's people like you who are the rude, arragont, ignorant and 'illegal'.

It's kind of comical that people like you who say they totally dispise it, spend so much more time on Habbo than users who love it. Just so you can put others down and make you feel better and more powerful. Wait till you get out into the real world, you won't have the protection of a computer screen.

Also trying to bring in the legal stuff? Making yourself bigger than what you are? It's common sense, the law doesn't apply, your morals are non-existant. You think Sulake should get introuble for discussing other people in their emails, but you think just because there is no "disclaimer" gives you the right to publish them? It's immature because it's taking a swing below the belt. Your fighting something you possibly can't win. People above Becs don't care about the users, they care about the money. It's people like Becs who care about the users. She just doesn't careless about people who attempt to hack others and the site it's self.

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Originally Posted by Murdoch

Becs cares about community and it's users, but thinks of nothing for the people who try to spoil it, people like you. People who are willing to destroy what others have worked hard for simply because you got into house keeping. Justine only ever cared about her friends and elite group.

Becs pours her heart and soul, and it's people like you who are the rude, arragont, ignorant and 'illegal'.

It's kind of comical that people like you who say they totally dispise it, spend so much more time on Habbo than users who love it. Just so you can put others down and make you feel better and more powerful. Wait till you get out into the real world, you won't have the protection of a computer screen.

Also trying to bring in the legal stuff? Making yourself bigger than what you are? It's common sense, the law doesn't apply, your morals are non-existant. You think Sulake should get introuble for discussing other people in their emails, but you think just because there is no "disclaimer" gives you the right to publish them? It's immature because it's taking a swing below the belt. Your fighting something you possibly can't win. People above Becs don't care about the users, they care about the money. It's people like Becs who care about the users. She just doesn't careless about people who attempt to hack others and the site it's self.

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Howdy there Murdoch/Becs again!

If Becs cared so much about the users and community, why had she done so many things to peeve people off? Ask most users on this forum, infact read this topic, everything about her is negative. Out of millions of things I could choose from, I'm going to choose the perfect example of the FOMO campaign. This campaign was obviously in place to reduce the amount of moderators on habbo and to put kids more at risk being encouraged NOT to use the call for help and banning users who do, despite the fact Habbo spent years previous encouraging users to and ensuring kids are safe on the site. Not only that, there was a competition in this campaign which let users win the chance for the almighty becs to DJ on their FOMO sites, or give them a trophy. Becs decided to revoke a couple of sites from the winners because of the fact she disliked some of their posts on habbox, I mean how pathetic and immature is that? Its almost as bad as Emma monks. They are taking a comment made on a fansite they made Unofficial without proof that the habbo owns the account they are making the remarks on, and using it against them.

There has been plenty of things Becs has done that proves she probably thinks she's putting the user first, but realy, her ego and immaturity is then the users. Atleast the damage done in hk was minimal compared to others who defaced habbo and totally destroyed it in the Summer '05.

I do despise Habbo, and if you look up my account you'll notice I have not logged on since Nov '06, 5 months ago, however as I said in the post as a friend of mines site was made unofficial I thought it would be great to expose the above. At the end of the day Murdoch, I exposed a few emails, if users want to ignore my comments, and just read the facts and emails, I am sure the views they will have will still be negative to becs, more negative than it is already.

Publishing an email from a company is not illegal, however, giving out information which the company agreed in their privacy agreement to keep confidential is illegal. No matter what way you look at it, a company, or becs, givingg out information about another user is a user privacy breach, especially as the site is dealing with children. This is normal in all companies and Sulake is no exception!

I think everyone already assumed the people above Becs dont care much about the community, more about money, but if they realised the reason Sulakes user counts are decreasing is because of the way the community is run by such big kids they may become interested, Aye?

James

Despite mine and your issues James, as you full well know I supported Remix being official at all my time at your fansite. The e-mail where she says she won't be djing on any site involved at the time was actually sent to me.

I fully agree with the issues you have raised, this "professionalism" status Sulake seem to set themselves really slacks when you see Becs with her silly little ways. In the end of the day, she will always treat us as peices of dirt, why? Because she has her access to all the tools, shes got the status - high up in Habbo and merely because the "Habbo Communities" pay her wage.

She's like a spoilt 5 year old, If their is something she doesn't like - she will hit you as hard as she can and continue doing it, Just another spite of power.

I find it funny how Murdoch mentiones Justine, I think it was a good thing she had past experience on Habbo - that way she can know how the communities work and base experiences from a users POV - Isn't this why when Justine was in role their was nearly 15k users online - Sulake raking in well over 100k a month? Now they have a bunch of people who know nothing but to get a load of people to send emails to them, release rares and publish news? Everyone missed Justine, and she is still missed today - The UK Habbo was the most active when she was around - Yes she was a tad bit corrupt, But wouldn't everyone be in their power? And it made Habbo interesting, something to talk about.

Clearly, from James' posts on this forum, they clearly state how corrupt Sulake is being made from this ever so statusable "Rebecca Newton" - However I do not think anything will be made of it, Sulake will continue to have this woman employed for them.

It's funny how you make some big overstatements. It's called media and rumours, people don't know about the hundreds of good things people do, but they pick out one thing twist it to their advantage to make it appear much worse than it is. What Becs does is for the greater community, not people like you who sit back and say how immature a professional is because you won't change your view. Your emotionally involved, which leads to people's downfall.

The FOMO campaign was a marketing campaign not to get rid of moderators, but to create the awareness of independance users can use. Rather than not being little children relying on their mums all the time which you seem to describe Habbo's as. They need someone else to do something for them. That's what FOMO is about, creating the awareness of independance. Sulake spend the most money than any online game on moderation alone. To say Habbo don't want their users to be safe is a completely inaccurate statement which you know nothing of.

You think what you did on housekeeping isn't as bad as people defacing Habbo? Of course defacing the site is a short term bad, but what you did in housekeeping is a long term bad thing to destroy a community. The people who defaced the site you could say was a victimless offence, what you did, you destroyed many people in the community.

You seem to relate everything to the law, but you don't have a clue what your involving it for. Yes, publishing an email from a company is not illegal. "Exposing" something is like making something public that is confidential and private. You 'exposing' emails from Becs because she was rude to you, that isn't exposing, thats you being immature, childish and having a whine. If you want me to relate it back to the legal system which you love to do, it's called deformation, which the offender is always at fault.

Becs didn't publish anything confidential about a user, she was just telling you that a user is bad news and she would not DJ on their site because of it. Simple as that.

Also your claim that habbo isn't as popular, can I have some 'evidence' please? Because from the press releases I have, they show quite the opposite.

Fantastic Essay!

I recorded a show that becs done on habbo-record in april 2006. And i thought the staff were being slightly rude there.

this dispute will go on and on un-necessarily until someone provides evidence so to continue without evidence and proof is a bit sad really :S

I'd ask why people are still debating this... But the reason seems apparent. It's become more of a 'I'm right your wrong' thread than anything. :P It seems also that this thread is more about one Sulake member in particular: Becs. I don't know all the bad stuff she's done, only James' emails (as for the DJing, no comment :rolleyes:)

Just let the thread rest for a bit, it seems you've gone way off Clubhabbo lol. I could say though, that we've got a while for Becs retirement if it's based on her mental age. By the way she's going right now, I doubt she'll last for another 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Murdoch

It's funny how you make some big overstatements. It's called media and rumours, people don't know about the hundreds of good things people do, but they pick out one thing twist it to their advantage to make it appear much worse than it is. What Becs does is for the greater community, not people like you who sit back and say how immature a professional is because you won't change your view. Your emotionally involved, which leads to people's downfall.

The FOMO campaign was a marketing campaign not to get rid of moderators, but to create the awareness of independance users can use. Rather than not being little children relying on their mums all the time which you seem to describe Habbo's as. They need someone else to do something for them. That's what FOMO is about, creating the awareness of independance. Sulake spend the most money than any online game on moderation alone. To say Habbo don't want their users to be safe is a completely inaccurate statement which you know nothing of.

You think what you did on housekeeping isn't as bad as people defacing Habbo? Of course defacing the site is a short term bad, but what you did in housekeeping is a long term bad thing to destroy a community. The people who defaced the site you could say was a victimless offence, what you did, you destroyed many people in the community.

You seem to relate everything to the law, but you don't have a clue what your involving it for. Yes, publishing an email from a company is not illegal. "Exposing" something is like making something public that is confidential and private. You 'exposing' emails from Becs because she was rude to you, that isn't exposing, thats you being immature, childish and having a whine. If you want me to relate it back to the legal system which you love to do, it's called deformation, which the offender is always at fault.

Becs didn't publish anything confidential about a user, she was just telling you that a user is bad news and she would not DJ on their site because of it. Simple as that.

Also your claim that habbo isn't as popular, can I have some 'evidence' please? Because from the press releases I have, they show quite the opposite.

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Hi again,

Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I've been busy with other things at the moment and therefore rarely keep an eye on this topic. You see Murdoch, thats where your wrong. I am not emotionally involved at all, hell I don't care if Sulake hate me or if all my Habbo's get banned, I realy do not give 2 cents. I created this topic because once again, Sulake removed a perfectly good fansite and I felt the need to make these posts. In the UK, consumers are encouraged to complain and make public their experiances with Habbo Hotel, are you telling me it is perfectly fine to encourage people to post good experiances, yet its very immature to publish bad experiances? Thats the impression your giving out and that is very naive.

Well Murdoch, I'm expressing my view, and whats realy funny is the things becs is doing "for the better of the community" often peeves ALOT of people off. In this whole thread, which has had 1,400 unique views and 7 pages worth of chat, only YOU are supporting Becs. If Becs has done great for the community, surely she would have alot more supporters ranting back at me? No, instead she's got her nearest "chum" to sign up to Habbox to fight their cause by telling them to say comments.

In Regards to FOMO, indeed Sulake spend alot of money on Moderators, however for many years before this campaign Sulake made alot of campaigns encouraging kids to Call for help if anything inappropriate occurs.. however that campaign bigging up becs made a complete U turn and told people only use call for help in extreme circumstances and if it is not one then you will be banned. Where as before, Moderators could take a look to ensure the users are safe, now they are not fully aware of whats going on as Kids are too afraid to report abusive users.. instead, they encourage the use of an Ignore tool which, despite the fact that your getting loads and loads of abuse from someone, everyone else in the room can hear and see and the person making the abuse can also SEE WHAT YOU SAY! Its hardly a tool which is worth using, all it is doing is blocking your view of it, yet lets the other person when bored of insulting you and getting others to pass on messages, to go and hurl abuse at some other poor kid. I experianced this a mont after FOMO, and I called for help as they are also swearing the heart out too and all I got was "Use Ignore tool and leave room", but they just followed and continued hurling abuse. When I said it was not working I got a message sayin if I use the call for help again I will be banned and to use ignore. ''/ Thats hardly showing Sulakes concern into kids safety.

Sulake should know that kids between 13 to 16, which they aim at, are ignorant to alot of online safety informations, when they are above 16 then okay maybe letting them get independant is fine, but not when kids are that young!

What was done in Housekeeping compared to others was very small, especially as some people got confidental company documents and got loads of users passwords like -<Max>- who managed to trick Jeffoo into handing over her password from a spoof email (Yes, Max likes to brag).

Becs said in an email that tegs was the cause of Justines removal, that is not confidential? Rofl don't make me laugh.. plus, even Becs discussing Justine being fired (Which is not true) is confidential in itself anyway as she is an ex employee who does not expect her personal situation told to the general public!

Also, its defamation not Deformation, and yes I would be breaking the law if I published fake information to affect someones reputation or a companies reputation.. however I don't see anything fake in this email? I have published evidence by forms of emails, and given my opinion using Free speach.. now please tell me where what I have written is a false fact, as opposed to an opinion?

Habbo is beginning to fail, evidence can be seen from the User Online counts... When Justine was in play Habbo usually peaked on a weekday at around 12,000 to 13,000.. Habbo is lucky to peak at 7,000 these days, thats almost a 50% decrease!

Just-one

Eurgh, just get over it. It was removed for a reason, same as Remix - Just move on :S