UKIP candidate suspended over racist comments

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Definition of immigration from the Oxford Dictionary of economics:

So that means that people entering the country with a work permit which I guess is going to be not a short visit are immigrants. As I said before they cannot say they are freezing immigration and then allow people into work. The one statement totally disagrees with the other. :P

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A work permit is a short visit, often they fly home or only spend a few days here and then fly home before flying back. This would not be stopped as it would harm business and there is no reasonable objection to it as it is healthy to the economy and benefits this country. The statements (UKIP policy) do not disagree with one another or overlap one another; permanent settlement in the United Kingdom is frozen for a 5-year period whereas visas for business are granted.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

A work permit is a short visit, often they fly home or only spend a few days here and then fly home before flying back. This would not be stopped as it would harm business and there is no reasonable objection to it as it is healthy to the economy and benefits this country. The statements (UKIP policy) do not disagree with one another or overlap one another; permanent settlement in the United Kingdom is frozen for a 5-year period whereas visas for business are granted.

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I am not saying it is not healthy but what you were saying is that they weren't immigrants but they are. But work permits are not for a short visit - they are granted usually for 6 months or more and whether they fly back every weekend is irrelevant and they are not 'business' visas as that is a totally separate issue. So what they are basically doing is going to a points policy which has already been announced by the government. I do think it's a bit 'pie in the sky though' as you can't just withdraw from the EU - it wouldn't that easy. What about all the people that are here already from EU Countries they don't have visas. What would happen to them?

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Come on Dan - you know it is not a short visit :P They are treated as immigrants. I am not saying it is not healthly - their mini manifesto states that immigration is to be frozen for 5 years. That's what most people are going to read. Business visas have nothing to do with permits/visas for work. What they should have said is that they plan to control immigration not freeze it. :P

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They would allow visas for short work visits but not for permanent settlement - there is a very clear difference and one that a government (a competant one at least) is capable of handling. The issue of settled immigration is the issue, not the work schemes which generate enormous income for this country. The settled immigration question is the big issue because its a massive social issue involving crime and the failure of intergration which is taking place and its worrying because what Enoch Powell predicted will come true if we carry on as it is now.

We need a managed system.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They would allow visas for short work visits but not for permanent settlement - there is a very clear difference and one that a government (a competant one at least) is capable of handling. The issue of settled immigration is the issue, not the work schemes which generate enormous income for this country. The settled immigration question is the big issue because its a massive social issue involving crime and the failure of intergration which is taking place and its worrying because what Enoch Powell predicted will come true if we carry on as it is now.

We need a managed system.

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Yes - sorry I edited my post. You are quick off the mark here :P