Do you think homosexuality should be accepted?

It's quite likely that I'll get a lot of stick for this post because people will misunderstand what I'm saying.

I agree with the cliche that homosexuality should be accepted and I'll argue until the cows come home that it should be accepted.

I think flaunting sexuality in someone's face is the most annoying thing anyone can do and I think threads about homosexuality being accepted have outlived their welcome for me because the majority of society these days accepts homosexuality--it's not like it used to be. The big thing people are uneasy about now might be transexuals but homosexuality being accepted is far better now than even ten or twenty years ago. So threads like this only serve to annoy. The non straight jump at every little careless remark another person might have said which could be understood to be offensive, and there might be one or two people (again I'm NOT saying this relates to everyone at all) might be flaunting their sexuality.

Be that as it may I suppose there are some really good down to Earth posts in this thread, some sweet ones about some relationships so kudos for sharing :P

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

It's quite likely that I'll get a lot of stick for this post because people will misunderstand what I'm saying.

I agree with the cliche that homosexuality should be accepted and I'll argue until the cows come home that it should be accepted.

I think flaunting sexuality in someone's face is the most annoying thing anyone can do and I think threads about homosexuality being accepted have outlived their welcome for me because the majority of society these days accepts homosexuality--it's not like it used to be. The big thing people are uneasy about now might be transexuals but homosexuality being accepted is far better now than even ten or twenty years ago. So threads like this only serve to annoy. The non straight jump at every little careless remark another person might have said which could be understood to be offensive, and there might be one or two people (again I'm NOT saying this relates to everyone at all) might be flaunting their sexuality.

Be that as it may I suppose there are some really good down to Earth posts in this thread, some sweet ones about some relationships so kudos for sharing :P

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I don't see how you can flaunt sexuality? That implies that it somehow winds you up - I don't see how it affects you. I think everyone will agree that awareness has improved considerably, it's even legal now :P However, this flaunting argument does my head in. How do you "flaunt" your sexuality? You don't. If you see two people kissing in public are they flaunting their heterosexuality?

Imagine someone said. I'm glad black people have equal rights now but I hate how they flaunt it. The concept is basically the same. Also, you seem to generalise gay people way too much. For example, there are some people on this forum who have confided in me their sexuality and not many others know online and offline. Not all gay people flaunt their sexuality.

I assume you misunderstand the word flaunt.

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Originally Posted by immense

I don't see how you can flaunt sexuality? That implies that it somehow winds you up - I don't see how it affects you. I think everyone will agree that awareness has improved considerably, it's even legal now :P However, this flaunting argument does my head in. How do you "flaunt" your sexuality? You don't. If you see two people kissing in public are they flaunting their heterosexuality?

Imagine someone said. I'm glad black people have equal rights now but I hate how they flaunt it. The concept is basically the same. Also, you seem to generalise gay people way too much. For example, there are some people on this forum who have confided in me their sexuality and not many others know online and offline. Not all gay people flaunt their sexuality.

I assume you misunderstand the word flaunt.

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No that is not what annoys people, what flaunting covers is the parades & the militant groups - that is what pisses people off. 'Look at us we are gay, let's march around in skimpy clothing and act like a bunch of overly-feminine women on floats (because most women aren't even as feminine as some gay people of the type who take part in these parades) - crude but thats essentially what it is.

The same applies for black groups and ethnic groups (although these are minorities within those minorities) - with homosexuality it seems much more prevelent and only serves to fuel people against 'the cause' whatever that cause is. The only cause I see in gay groups and parades nowadays is to flaunt it and make an issue of something thats accepted by most people.

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Originally Posted by immense

I don't see how you can flaunt sexuality? That implies that it somehow winds you up - I don't see how it affects you. I think everyone will agree that awareness has improved considerably, it's even legal now :P However, this flaunting argument does my head in. How do you "flaunt" your sexuality? You don't. If you see two people kissing in public are they flaunting their heterosexuality?

Imagine someone said. I'm glad black people have equal rights now but I hate how they flaunt it. The concept is basically the same. Also, you seem to generalise gay people way too much. For example, there are some people on this forum who have confided in me their sexuality and not many others know online and offline. Not all gay people flaunt their sexuality.

I assume you misunderstand the word flaunt.

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I understand the word flaunt. There's nothing necessarily wrong with being proud to be gay of course but the initial ideology surrounding gay pride was to make being gay more acceptable. Where we now live in a world where it is much more widely accepted. I suppose I just don't understand why it's so necessary.

For a long time I've gone to school with a boy called Derek. He's fairly nice and two years ago he came out as gay. He did this by standing infront of our entire English class and did a presentation in which it all led upto an ending climax where he announced that he's gay--that's how he came out. That year he did the exactly same presentation in three other classes. When our English class that year would engage in a discussion revolving around current affairs due to the nature of the teacher Derek would compare every single topic, whether it be criminal justice or political freedom to being gay. It got to the point where several nicer even most usually quiet girls who were his friends were making comments about it because he was even incorporating it into all of his writing pieces in the class. He read novels in English which only revolved around homosexuality and made sure the entire class was aware of this. Every day he would wear a rainbow belt and carry around a gay pride flag (yes carried: to every class, every single day which was more or less same in size as my 24" computer monitor).

Although I don't generally use the word gay in a derogatory scenario anyway (like saying that's gay) every time anyone at all said something as innocent as that's gay, he would say, excuzze me (intentionally accenting the use as a little child might for emphasis).

Unfortunately for me we even shared several common friends at the time and each one said he incorporated the topic of homosexuality into every conversation he was involved in no matter what it was about to begin with.

To make a long story short it was painfully obvious to all his classmates that he was acting a certain way just to get attention. After he came out he even started talking in what people here call a gay voice. He was doing that on purpose and that's certainly not fair on people who genuinely talk like that. It's boys like this who create and define the stereotype of a gay man--and if it wasn't for guys like this, gay boys and boys in general would receive so much less stick over being gay, or being afraid to be seen as gay because you naturally compare to one of the stereotypical gay attributes guys like Derek tries to follow specifically for attention.

I have absolutely no beef with gay PDA at all, actually I think it's extreme adorable that two people are comfortable showing that sort of genuine affection towards eachother without caring about what other people think of them.

Ok now ive quoted a lot of people because i feel you're missing the point. Please read the following to see what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I feel that homosexuality was accepted by the majority of the population a long time ago - it really is no big deal anymore.

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For many people, it still is a big deal. Yeah great if you're not religious it doesn't apply but through the millions of Christians in Britain homosexuality is wrong - y'know it's said in the Bible - and that book means everything to some people.

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Originally Posted by Music.x.mad

Really, why shouldn't it be accepted it's a normal relationship with the same sex, obviously some people are attracted to the same sex and it's really unfair if people don't agree with it.
The video Myke posted about; I think the person is 100% right in saying what they said.

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Again read above because "why shouldn't it be accepted"? It's no where near "normal" you know, not to be harsh or mean but it is kinda wrong? If these relationships were meant to be "normal" then there would be Adam and Adam, if you get me.

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Originally Posted by Muct

I don't mind at all lol , everyone talks about the so-called 'freedom' so why can't this be part of that lol?

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Freedom is fine, but it's what other people think of your actions that could be seen as the problem. It's very rare that you can change someone's opinion on this subject. I am ok with people having a relationship with the same sex, I just think it's wrong.

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Originally Posted by louder

i really can't understand why people don't 'agree with homosexuality'. it makes literally no sense to me.
it's not effecting you in any way, so why should you have to agree or not? it's not happening in your bedroom & it's not happening to you.

i voted yes i think being gay should be accepted. of course it should.

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I've answered this before but I'd also like to clarify that most religious people in the UK are against the idea of being gay. It's not homophobic because you're not against the gays, you're against the act.

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Originally Posted by Alexx..

This poll doesn't make sense but anywhoo, I think it should be accepted, theres nothing wrong with it IMO and I don't understand why people don't like it...except the god squad who are just barmy anyway.

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That is actually so pathetic. An incredibly bad attempt at attacking millions of people around the globe. I could write pages on that one idiotic sentence, but it wouldn't be worth it. Just be a bit more careful with what you say please...

Ok so these are my views and if you want to debate it, please do, I'd love to hear you feedback.

In my opinion, homosexuality should be accepted. it's your own choice as to who you want to love. no one else should be able to tell you otherwise. if people force you into being straight, you're going to either end up alone and depressed, or with someone who you don't actually love. I personally believe that everyone should look at everyone with open arms. It shouldn't matter if the person is male, female, transgender, etc. I think some people do take their sexuality to an extent though, through public affection, flirtation, etc (including on this forum actually). I think that we've made a lot of progress and a lot more people accept homosexuality and bisexuality than they used to.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No that is not what annoys people, what flaunting covers is the parades & the militant groups - that is what pisses people off. 'Look at us we are gay, let's march around in skimpy clothing and act like a bunch of overly-feminine women on floats (because most women aren't even as feminine as some gay people of the type who take part in these parades) - crude but thats essentially what it is.

The same applies for black groups and ethnic groups (although these are minorities within those minorities) - with homosexuality it seems much more prevelent and only serves to fuel people against 'the cause' whatever that cause is. The only cause I see in gay groups and parades nowadays is to flaunt it and make an issue of something thats accepted by most people.

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I agree that the point of 'pride' has changed over the last few years. Now, it's more of a celebration that homosexuality is accepted rather than a parade to raise awareness and get accepted. I won't see your point as valid until people stop taking their lives, getting bullied and being kicked out of their homes merely for being physically attracted to the same gender.

There are many homosexual people that also hate pride. They would agree with you to an extent. Pride isn't the whole homosexual population. There are many homosexual people who don't attend and isn't their cup of tea. I disagree that pride makes things worse though. When people are battling with their sexuality at say 15 or so it can be a beacon of light to know there are full grown men that are gay and there is nothing wrong with it. Women too, obviously.

Also, I don't think you've ever been to one of these parades. Sure, some of them wear skimpy clothes but they are matched by old men who turn out in good force in their full leathers! Not something I want to see personally but each to their own.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

I understand the word flaunt. There's nothing necessarily wrong with being proud to be gay of course but the initial ideology surrounding gay pride was to make being gay more acceptable. Where we now live in a world where it is much more widely accepted. I suppose I just don't understand why it's so necessary.

For a long time I've gone to school with a boy called Derek. He's fairly nice and two years ago he came out as gay. He did this by standing infront of our entire English class and did a presentation in which it all led upto an ending climax where he announced that he's gay--that's how he came out. That year he did the exactly same presentation in three other classes. When our English class that year would engage in a discussion revolving around current affairs due to the nature of the teacher Derek would compare every single topic, whether it be criminal justice or political freedom to being gay. It got to the point where several nicer even most usually quiet girls who were his friends were making comments about it because he was even incorporating it into all of his writing pieces in the class. He read novels in English which only revolved around homosexuality and made sure the entire class was aware of this. Every day he would wear a rainbow belt and carry around a gay pride flag (yes carried: to every class, every single day which was more or less same in size as my 24" computer monitor).

Although I don't generally use the word gay in a derogatory scenario anyway (like saying that's gay) every time anyone at all said something as innocent as that's gay, he would say, excuzze me (intentionally accenting the use as a little child might for emphasis).

Unfortunately for me we even shared several common friends at the time and each one said he incorporated the topic of homosexuality into every conversation he was involved in no matter what it was about to begin with.

To make a long story short it was painfully obvious to all his classmates that he was acting a certain way just to get attention. After he came out he even started talking in what people here call a gay voice. He was doing that on purpose and that's certainly not fair on people who genuinely talk like that. It's boys like this who create and define the stereotype of a gay man--and if it wasn't for guys like this, gay boys and boys in general would receive so much less stick over being gay, or being afraid to be seen as gay because you naturally compare to one of the stereotypical gay attributes guys like Derek tries to follow specifically for attention.

I have absolutely no beef with gay PDA at all, actually I think it's extreme adorable that two people are comfortable showing that sort of genuine affection towards eachother without caring about what other people think of them.

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I answered a bit of yours in the bit above Davey. The bit about pride at least. Yeah, ok this one kid has put on stereotypical gay features... how do you know he isn't just now being his true self now he's out. Maybe he was so desperate to come out so he could act himself and that's why he's so obsessed with tell anyone. When I came out, I was a lot more discreet as I didn't want to scream the rooftops down with it. A quiet affair.

Also, don't forget how much pressure he is under, being gay, it's not easy, nor accepted 100%, regardless of what people think. In addition, he is one gay person, you can't generalise millions of others with him.

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Originally Posted by immense

I don't see how you can flaunt sexuality? That implies that it somehow winds you up - I don't see how it affects you. I think everyone will agree that awareness has improved considerably, it's even legal now :P However, this flaunting argument does my head in. How do you "flaunt" your sexuality? You don't. If you see two people kissing in public are they flaunting their heterosexuality?

Imagine someone said. I'm glad black people have equal rights now but I hate how they flaunt it. The concept is basically the same. Also, you seem to generalise gay people way too much. For example, there are some people on this forum who have confided in me their sexuality and not many others know online and offline. Not all gay people flaunt their sexuality.

I assume you misunderstand the word flaunt.

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i see your point, but it really is true that a lot of gays are completely over the top in their support of gay rights and if anything only force back progression. they're too aggressive in their pursuit. i'd compare it to the feminist movement; it took so long to get off the ground because people thought a lot of the politics behind it were way over the top. most people agreed that women and men should be treated as equals and get equal pay for jobs etc, that was only logical, but what did peoples heads in was bra burning, feminists publishing books about how men are pigs, etc. why there was so much resistance was because the message they were sending was that a bunch of angry smelly women wanted to rule the world, even though all most feminists wanted was just to be treated as equals.

the message many gays are sending to people by being overly-flamboyant/flaunting, probably without realizing it, is that if homosexuality were to be 100% accepted then the world would be amuck with hyper-aggressive homosexuals, which is also completely false. its not a matter of who they are or how they want to express their sexuality, its just strategy. i think the key to homosexuals winning against discrimination is to highlight how they are similar to everyone else, not how they're different.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

I am ok with people having a relationship with the same sex, I just think it's wrong.

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This doesn't make sense, if you think it's wrong you're clearly not okay with it?
Also, i'm pathetic because i have an opinion on a religious group? Okay then, if you say so. Also, I didn't attack people, especially of my own religion, i only used the word barmy. If i attacked them i'd call them all homophobic or complete idiots, but I don't think that, I just think its barmy that people don't accept homosexuals. So you're pathetic for making a big deal out of nothing.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

Again read above because "why shouldn't it be accepted"? It's no where near "normal" you know, not to be harsh or mean but it is kinda wrong? If these relationships were meant to be "normal" then there would be Adam and Adam, if you get me.

I've answered this before but I'd also like to clarify that most religious people in the UK are against the idea of being gay. It's not homophobic because you're not against the gays, you're against the act.

That is actually so pathetic. An incredibly bad attempt at attacking millions of people around the globe. I could write pages on that one idiotic sentence, but it wouldn't be worth it. Just be a bit more careful with what you say please....

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Ok, first of all, theres no set rules on whats 'normal'. 'Normal' is different to everyone, it just depends on what they're brought up to believe, and when they're old enough, what they think themselves.

@ Your Adam and Adam argument, of course theres not going to be an 'adam and adam' in a book from a group of people who are preaching against it.

@ "I've answered this before but I'd also like to clarify that most religious people in the UK are against the idea of being gay. It's not homophobic because you're not against the gays, you're against the act." - I would still say thats the same thing.

@ "That is actually so pathetic. An incredibly bad attempt at attacking millions of people around the globe. I could write pages on that one idiotic sentence, but it wouldn't be worth it. Just be a bit more careful with what you say please...." - How was that an attack, its true, mainly nowadays, its only religious people that have a problem with homosexuality, and I would say that's kind of pathetic, considering they base their beliefs and views on a 2000+ year old book, that contradicts itself at several points. Societys have changed a huge amount since then.