GOD

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Originally Posted by Persevare

Hmmm.. I kinda see where you are coming from now :P
But then, it's just what I have been taught and what I believe; there you have it...
Maybe we should get back to the subject of God now.
If the Big Bang did take place, then it totally discredits the propostition God created the World in six days [I think]...
And I know the argument against that is that 'at the time' six days could have meant six years, as time itself was not structured; if this is so, why bother saying he did it in six days?

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I dont think that matters, the 6 day bits kinda been discredited quite alot already.
1) The world isnt actaly flat
2) the sky isnt made of water
3) earth wasnt created in the middle of the agurculural revolution

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Our universe contains too much order for our existence to have been created out of chaos such as the big bang theory. God didn't just make man kind for the sake of it; he spent time making such a complex creation. Just think, when we are born we have the innate knowledge of knowing and deferentiating between whats good and bad and this knowledge comes from God, it's put there to keep balance and for us to understand why we need to ask God for forgiveness. Not only that but things such as why a baby loves it's mum and why love exists at all, it's all down to God.

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Order comes from chaios, google the game of life for a good exsample, 3 rules, then make as random as you like, order will still emmerge

God had to create time? so how could he work within it
We dont have an innate knowlage we learn it
Morality is also not innate, we learn that as well, hence why its relative.

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Jesus is God, it says it in many places as well as the apostles and the Jews and Romans who killed Christ.

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So how could god be his own son? and how could he test himself? and how could his son die for him if he is is son?

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Not really true at all, otherwise the people who 'invented' God would have made up no such thing as Hell, and not made such rules that exist within the Bible.

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Hell was just to scare people in to beliveing in the god, and makeing the preiest rich and powerful, little else.

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Originally Posted by massacre

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-worships-

and lol at the emo in your avatar.

There are actually a lot more references about hell than there are about heaven within the bible. I see where you're coming from though entor, again it can't be proven correct or otherwise, but if you were to go from what the old testament says: "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." and also Isiah says "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

As for the new testament, it has just as much to say about hell; "These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." also Revelation 14:10-11 "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

I suppose one of the main arguments of why hell doesn't exist is down to Jesus' teaching of love, peace and forgiveness and the fact it's hard to believe someone so perfect and full of love would teach about such a horrid place where non-believers go. However it's quite the contrary because Jesus teaches a lot about hell himself; describing it as an unquenchable (sp?) fire and a place of eternal fire, eternal punishment and as a place of torment, fire and agony.

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Originally Posted by Flaunte

Who invented God? ^_^

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His parents..

When dinosaurs got extinced, he was inside the meteor.

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Originally Posted by Gemma

His parents..

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God had no parents as he created man kind.

God is just, those who do wrong in their life do not deserve a place in Heaven. Do you think the people who committed the 9/11 attacks deserve a place in Heaven?

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

God is just, those who do wrong in their life do not deserve a place in Heaven. Do you think the people who committed the 9/11 attacks deserve a place in Heaven?

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Obviously not, but doesn't God forgive all?

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Originally Posted by asher_

Obviously not, but doesn't God forgive all?

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God forgives those guilty for what they've done. I don't think they wanted to be absolved considering they did it in the name of God and believed it would gain them a place in Heaven, they were proud of their actions.

G-D r0x my s0x