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05-08-2008, 12:15 PM
Blinger1

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Originally Posted by DrLacero

It didn't seem to when I ran a game :S Other than DX10 (which you can get on XP by the way) it didn't offer me a better gaming experience.

This is perfection
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...zza/yumyum.png

Vista is waaaay too big

It's not about where they are, they were always there. What's wrong with this? Why have a Power, Log off and a menu containing those 2 again when you can have this one button which can do them all?

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...-Jazza/yum.png

I could barely stand it after a few hours, I put up with it so I could see if it got any better or easier to use and after 10 days it didn't, an OS shouldn't have to take time to work better on your system, if it isn't ready to use and doesn't give you the option to configure it yourself like Linux then it's pointless.

Probably, I never used it when I've used OS X. Again I'm not pro OS X, I don't like Vista or OS X :P

That's the default screenshot that someone else took, I use 1280x1024 and couldn't find a screenshot in that resolution.

Weird, seems my school computers have a logoff and restart button on the desktop.. :rolleyes:
05-08-2008, 12:20 PM
DrLacero

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Originally Posted by Blinger

school computers

http://www.screenhead.com/funny/SNEEZE34343434.JPG

Well there's your problem

And I don't think they were on the desktop, try start menu ;)
05-08-2008, 12:55 PM
Holofoil

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Originally Posted by DrLacero

You said in Apple & Macintosh you only just got a macbook though ;)

Macbooks aren't the only type of mac you can get :l I've got a desktop one too. I need laptop for school.
05-08-2008, 01:15 PM
Recursion

And let me tell you this, there is no way to get DX10 on anything below Vista right now.
05-08-2008, 02:02 PM
HotelUser

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Originally Posted by Tawm

1. Can be turned off, Mac has a worse equivalent of putting your password in.

The OSX one works BETTER.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

2. Thats UAC, again can be turned off, its protecting your computer, like a Mac.

not as good as a Mac

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Originally Posted by Tawm

3. How is it bloated?

How is it not bloated?? See: http://www.virtualdub.org/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=193

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Originally Posted by Tawm

4. EXCUSE ME? POOR RESOURCE MANAGMENT? PMSL? It actually has fart better management than any of the other Windows OSs out there. If the resources are there why not use them?

Because you can use XP, use LESS resources and have MORE for more important things. I rather have better performance in a game thank having my start bar look all shiney.

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5. Overpriced? All software is overpriced.

EXCUSE ME! Ubuntu and Open Office are free.

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1. It doesn't boot slower than XP :S I turn my PC on and its on the desktop

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Yes, it does boot slower than XP. If I install Vista, then XP on another machine(and both are exactly alike) then boot them, XP will boot quicker. That's a fact.

in about 30 seconds, XP took about 3 minutes.
2. Please get out of the past and into the present, most computers have 2GB RAM+ nowadays.

That's totally and absolutely incorrect, where online does it say that :S?

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3. Its not useless if you get good gadgets for it, why shouldn't it come with it in the first place? All you have to do is right click > close.

They shouldn't have included it in the first place, it was a cheap attempt at making something like Dashboard for OSX.

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4. UAC can again, be disabled, but its like Mac's equivalent, only better.

Better...better? How is it better!?

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5. Flight Sim 2004 was... well, 4 years ago, of course it probably will have some issues, mine worked perfectly with Aero, but after a long time it would stop working, this is after about 2 hours of use, so I just tell it to disable Aero while im playing it, no biggy imo.

There you go....."its 4 years old...so I'm going to get the newest most expensive!!" If you browse the net, and even HxF, you will see that the general consensius about Microsoft Flight Simulator, is that MANY people use FS2004 still. A big reason, is that FSX takes up a lot of disk space, and isn't compatible with SquawkBox, which is required to fly online with VATSIM. That was an example, there are MAAANY others.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

6. Index searching was in Linux long before OSX, anyway, I prefer having it in the start menu rathar than in the top of my screen non-stop.

then that's your opinion. My opinion is that the OSX's search looked much better.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

7. Not much to say to that.

I was looking forward to a huge list of legitimate reasons why I should switch to Vista.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

I agree. Apple do take the piss with their prices majorly, you can just be as fun and creative on Windows, the "Get a Mac" ads Apple do are quite good, but at the same time extremely childish, having to **** off other companies. Now I see Microsoft is following that trend to counteract them, fair dos.

But, as the days go by, we should be moving to bigger and better hardware, and Vista is pushing this, Apple are making their operating systems backwards compatible with the older stuff, because then they can make more money by selling it to old users imo. Microsoft are doing the right thing and stepping up the requirements, making companies sell hardware, cheaper!

Dell and HP are being forced to sell Vista by Microsoft, they are phasing out XP now, after all, XP is the past, Vista is the present.

But that's totally irrelavent. Age has nothing to do with a product being good.

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Microsoft tried to buy out Yahoo! not Google ;)

I know. I misstyped. It was late ;).

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Originally Posted by Tawm

So you say, Windows doesn't "just work"?

The GUI being beautiful is personal preferance, imo Aero is nicer. Spotlight isn't easier to find stuff? It's just the same, you type in a box and it looks for stuff, It doesn't load quicker?

Having it in the start menu is easier if you use keyboard shortcuts a lot, like I just press the windows key and start typing for something to find, easier than grabbing the mouse and clicking the box then typing.

PERSONALLY I don't like seeing whats currently open in the dock, because it doesn't have the program names there. Exposé I can't comment on as I haven't really used it.

It's very nice to have a dock. Obviously there's a substantialc amount of people who use Windows that agree with me. There are very popular Dock programs for Windows, such as Rocket Dock, or Stardock.

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1) I think that very much depends on the hardware, I've never noticed it being slower than XP, it's either been faster or similar.

No...hardware is irrelevant. If I take an old IBM Thinkbook running at 728Mhz, and with 256MB ram then obviously XP will run better than Vista. If I take an HP MC computer with the Q6600 and 2GB of ram, then XP will still run better than Vista. It will boot faster, and when you're doing something that requires a lot of horse power, XP will preform better.

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2) First of all, Vista to run smoothly does need to be a little above the recommend minimum (They recommend about 1GB Memory when 2GB Memory is usually more sufficient). I think you've had some bad experience's with it being loaded on low-spec machines or upgrading from XP. Very few XP machines are capable of running Vista well, and then you'll run into software problems with the upgrade anyway.

I have an Aspire 9410, Dual Core intel processor, came with 1GB of ram(upgraded to 2.5GB). It's a nice machine, I don't tend to buy Acer but I like this one. However I just don't think Vista is pulling it's weight. A Toshiba I have with similar specifications runs Vista Basic, and THAT runs terribly. And I'm sure, you would agree that the HP MiniNote, or OQO2 should not be shipped with Vista...yet it is...

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3) The Sidebar isn't the most useful object ever, it's not too bad but it can be easily removed...

It can be disabled. It still consumes disk space.

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4) UAC Control is nothing, it's not ever that annoying clicking 'Allow' whenever you do anything serious to your computer settings, at least you don't have a password like on Mac's. This can easily be turned off too. It's hardly a Vista woe.

Not accoirding to Vista reviews on Google. UAC is a disappointment.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

5) I'm afraid my biggest problem with Vista is probably drivers, and by the looks of it you have problems with software. Incompatibility is not Microsoft's or Vista's fault, it's companies being too lazy and greedy to update drivers and software. Generally only software on older CD-Roms are trouble, most things off the internet are fine.

It wouldn't be the companies problems if Microsoft made their operating system a little more compatible. I don't expect it to be totally compatible, but when switching from Windows 98 to XP I noticed hardly any problems.

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6) So what if you prefer the indexed searching on Mac? You haven't said what's wrong with it on Vista, searching is immense on Vista, it's very accurate and finds it as you type it. If you remember it used to take about 5 minutes on XP to search, I do hope at least you've installed indexed searching on your Windows XP as it's undeniabilty a bigger improvement.

I agree, it is useful. But on XP I use Google Desktop Search, which is better because I can search from my taskbar, or if I go to Google's website from any computer in my house, I can search for files on any other computer!

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7) Well if it's bundled on a computer I certainly wouldn't remove it as it's more likely to run it, it has many smaller features which improve things such as a stripped down Windows Movie Maker, the Snipping Tool, Windows Media Center is on most versions of Vista and it's hardly ever found on XP.

There's other Media Center applications.

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Media Center makes watching through a TV Extender, Xbox 360 or TV Tuner much easier. Windows Mail is a lot easier to use than Outlook Express

You can download Windows Mail free for XP

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and the majority of programmes that come with Vista have been simplified and cleaned up.

I do like the new mspaint, but I'll go back to XP, and give up being able to use the undo feature upto 9 times.

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1. Windows NEVER crashes for me?

I get BSOD'd on Vista a lot to be honest.

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4. Flip 3D NEVER lags for me, and it does show all the windows...

And I've used it a grand total of 2 times since I started using Vista? It doesn't lag for me either, but it's MUUCH easier and faster to use the start bar to switch tasks.

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5. Macs don't start up that quick actually, they are quite slow in comparison to quite a few Windows Vista systems.

OSX and Vista both started slower in my opinion.

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And let me tell you this, there is no way to get DX10 on anything below Vista right now.

And that's supposed to change my mind on Vista:rolleyes:? Microsoft does that to convince people to switch to Vista, nothing more than marketing.
05-08-2008, 02:19 PM
GommeInc

The fanboy remarks are annoying. HotelUser seems to be the main culprit by saying "BETTER ON A MAC" and all the other annoying, one sided arguments. As far as I am aware, the less you do the better, so with the Vista UAC, it is better because it doesn't ask for a password (why would it anyway?) while the Mac one does, and as far as I am aware it's worse on a Mac because it wants you to do more for less. But that is after personal opinion and experience, that the norm is that the less you do for something so small is usually better. Like walking to a bus stop down the road with an hour till the bus is better than running to the bus stop in the amount of time. One requires less effort and is of course, better.

Vista also isn't bloated, you must be talking about stone aged Vista which was bloated. Vista with SP1 is quite close to XP with "bloated"ness. and as with all new systems, they hog resources more thus you get computers with more resources - When you bought an XP computer when it came out, it came with 512mb, it felt quite bloated. You get Vista computers with 1GB and aren't quite bloated, but approaching it. This is of course with low end computers. High end ones or mid class ones come with 2GB - 4GB of memory. So there's no real difference between buying an XP computer when it was released, and a Vista computer when Vista was released. Stop talking crap basically...

I find Vista loads faster than Macs, but I've not used alot of them. All I remember is that Vista logs onto the internet right when you see the Welcome Screen while Macs wait a few seconds. This of course might of changed (note that I am not basing my opinions as fact, rather pre-supposing them lightly, which some Mac and PC lovers really should learn).
05-08-2008, 02:27 PM
Nick.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

Spotlight isn't easier to find stuff? It's just the same, you type in a box and it looks for stuff, It doesn't load quicker?

Having it in the start menu is easier if you use keyboard shortcuts a lot, like I just press the windows key and start typing for something to find, easier than grabbing the mouse and clicking the box then typing.

Spotlight is easier to find stuff, it categorises them into file types and you can choose which kind of files to display and in which order to display them. I have Applications shown first, then Documents, then Music, then everything else in whatever order.

Also, you should learn a bit more about Mac's before bragging about not having to touch a mouse to search, neither do we. We can just press CMD+Space or any F button, it's our choice. It's just as fast as pressing the flag button on Windows.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

PERSONALLY I don't like seeing whats currently open in the dock, because it doesn't have the program names there. Exposé I can't comment on as I haven't really used it.

As a matter of fact, all you have to do is hover your mouse over something to see the name of it, and it isn't hard to remember icons for applications, unless you're too dumb to realise that an icon of an envelope isn't for a mail application and an icon of a guitar isn't for a music making applications (referring to Garageband). Expose is a fantastic tool, I don't know how I lived without it!

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Originally Posted by Tawm

1. Windows NEVER crashes for me?

Might not crash but certainly lags.

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3. But this relies on you knowing the icon for the particular app, or the developer even making an icon, which 99% do but still. You can just type an app into the search bar on the start menu and it will come up, just press the windows key, type, then press enter usually.

Not really, because you can just hover over the icon to see what the application is called, and as I've already said, application icons are usually relative to the application, it's not hard to think what is what. Quick Launch doesn't show the name of the application at all, unless you hover over it for about 5 seconds. Same for OS X, you can just hit CMD+Space (CMD is a key not a combination of letters BTW) and type the applications name and if it's already open it will come to the front and if it isn't open it will open, obviously.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

5. Macs don't start up that quick actually, they are quite slow in comparison to quite a few Windows Vista systems.

Sorry, but my Mac starts up instantly from Sleep and from hard shutdown about 10-15 seconds (minus the time it takes for me to type in my password and such.)

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Originally Posted by Tawm

6. Dashboard is awfull, but sidebar isn't that much better. But the sidebar, can actually be made into a full screen thing, you just drag the gadgets over to where you want them on the desktop and then close the sidebar and bam! its done. But i never use the sidebar, or dashboard if I had a Mac, anyway.

Dashboard isn't awful, and it least it's a bit neater then your method of dragging gadgets (AKA rip-of-widgets) all over the screen.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

get a bigger screen

Sorry, but maybe he doesn't have an unlimited amount of money? Maybe he can't afford a bigger screen or maybe he's happy with the screen he has and just feels that a start bar shouldn't use over half your screens space.

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Originally Posted by DrLacero

And I don't think they were on the desktop, try start menu ;)

Actually, there is a way to create shutdown, logout and restart icons on the desktop.
See: http://www.astahost.com/info.php/how...top_t7372.html

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Originally Posted by Jordy

4) UAC Control is nothing, it's not ever that annoying clicking 'Allow' whenever you do anything serious to your computer settings, at least you don't have a password like on Mac's. This can easily be turned off too. It's hardly a Vista woe.

Actually, you have to click Allow on Vista much more than you have to type in your password on a Mac, I have to type in my password about once a week on OS X. Only when I'm installing something or using Software Update.

TBH
I think this 'discussion' could go on forever. All in all I suppose it's down to person preference and opinion. My opinion? OS X succeeds at everything Vista fails at. Other people may think different but that's my 2¢.
05-08-2008, 02:38 PM
Recursion

Ok then, I conclude that IMO, Vista is far far better at almost everything :P
05-08-2008, 02:40 PM
Nick.

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Originally Posted by Tawm

Ok then, I conclude that IMO, Vista is far far better at almost everything :P

Your opinion and I respect that. :)
05-08-2008, 02:56 PM
xxMATTGxx

Jesus christ, here we go again. No wonder these threads get closed straight away on other forums. Anyway, I shall state what I want to say.

When I first got Windows Vista and used it for about a year or so? Maybe 2 not sure. I think it was a great operating system, better then XP with the new GUI, features and such. But did find the UAC annoying, but yeah you can get around it. Feb 2008 I got my first mac. Why? I wanted a change. I wanted to see what was good about them, to have an experience. I loved it. I loved every bit of the operating system they offered me with some great features, security and some wonderful applications out there you can't have on a Windows Computer. Yes I used to be one of them "Mac Fan Boys" you like to call them, Where I shall stick up for mac all the way. But to be honest, I can't be bothered. Because it won't get anywhere because no operating system is better then another. both have advantages, disadvantages, lack of features, security and such. I know Mac isn't a gaming system, I didn't buy it for that. The UAC on Vista does get annoying when I have to run a few applications as administrator and have to keep pressing "Allow" but meh. I like the way the OSX does just puts a box to enter your password which I find more efficient then the Run/Allow options we get on Windows. But then again thats my opinion. Although I do see where Mac Users like myself and the others are going because if you looked over youtube on the channels who used to make Mac videos for the community, guides, reviews and such. And these so called "Window Users" have gave them so much grief such as racist comments, personal attack comments like their family. And I think to myself, what the hell? Why all that just over an operating system. So thats why I really stopped because I think its just gone too far. Well anyway thats my post. To my youtube part, I don't think I have ever seen or heard that mac users on youtube do them sort of marks to Windows Users. Although I do like the OS Leopard very much with its interface, features and other things also. :)

This makes me laugh as well, even Google/Youtube know about it:

http://i37.tinypic.com/28kuhdh.png

Oh and by the way, I use both systems. But only Windows when I want to play Flight Simulator.

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