Am I in the wrong?

Why haven't you all stopped bickering I thought I told you to stop bickering.

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Originally Posted by Pazza

So long as you made it clear, as far as I am aware your fine.

Although i think it would be better for you to finish it after christmas

EDIT: After seeing tim.'s post, I think he should get a full refund TBH, if not a Partial one as if he paid £5 for effort it looks like not much has gone into it

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totally agreeded ;]

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

I've never spent a single £ on web development except from buying my first domain for £5, I now own a large amount of domains and have £260 in my paypal. What does that tell you? Web development doesn't just include layouts, I develop a vast amount of Flash applications and games and sell them for a decent price whilst working on my own projects.

I also really think you need to look up the definition of the word professional.

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i loled, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Protege

i loled, thanks.

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Why? I'm not trying to big myself up in any way he just said that I knew nothing about web development and I was just showing that I clearly do because I've made a decent amount of money from it in the past few months.

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

You don't make a living from it. It's like my friend who gets EMA saying "oh I'm a professional photographer because I get £20 a week from the governement to take a photography A Level"

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wth r u on about? What do you think the meaning behind this thread is? Its about being PAID TO MAKE SOMETHING. That is quite clearly making money from a profession.

witht he people saying its only £5, it works both ways for both of them. Its only £5 so why is lucas bothered or its only £5 so why does Tim want it back.

in my opinion, Lucas, you should have kept the money however you both have grounds. You never completed the project and normally a deposit is for work to be completed and delivered on time. Even though you offered him the unfinished coding its not completed. Had you signed a contract saying this however, i would be saying Tim should get the refund but as you didnt, you are entitled to keep all of the deposit for the labour cost.


And can everyone stop ******** about how professional you are and posting off topic :/

Lol just as i thought this thread would die.

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Originally Posted by Excellent2

Edited by Wayne (Forum Super Moderator) Please don't start arguments.

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Bit late to add that comment in....

And Tim, please bare in mind 'your' is not the same as 'you're'.
Sorry, it just bugs me :D

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

Why? I'm not trying to big myself up in any way he just said that I knew nothing about web development and I was just showing that I clearly do because I've made a decent amount of money from it in the past few months.

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You don't need to make money off of web development to know something about it.

WOW THAT TOOK A WHILE TO READ!

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Originally Posted by Jackboy

You are both sad.

You charged £5 for PHP coding? That is really sad. You are undercutting all the good coders with your procedural etc.

I have quoted £40 minimum for any user systems I do...

However, Tim you are sad for wanting £5 back when Excellent2 has actually spent time on the work (YOU PAID FOR THE), whether he completed it or not, you paid £5 for the labour, which he provided.

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He supplied the labour as said, and the £5 was just the deposit, he was getting more once the job was complete.

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Originally Posted by Awfy

You keep the deposit no matter what, one of the main reason of taking a deposit is to support your time and expenditures during the planning and arrangement time. If someone is to use your time and effort (no matter how small) then agreed deposit is now ethically the developers.

It is up to the developer to give them a refund but in my eyes not necessary. Unless there was an agreement at the start of the project which clearly stated that the deposit is refundable then sure Luke is in the wrong, otherwise not.

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Totally agree :O

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Originally Posted by Tim.

Well to be perfectly honest i didnt say ill 'wreck your reputation' I actualy said well ill just ask the people on habbox, and then 2 minutes later you decided to post it.

Also i understand labour costs to be when someone produces something which you can actualy use without having to pay others to sort it out so its actualy functional?

Look as i said earlier i know long care for this, you can argue, say crap about me, at the end of the day you can tarnish my reputation on here, but to be quite honest i'm not going to hang around on habbox all my life - So go ahead its only £5 but some of us arent loaded and dont have all the cash in the world.

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You aren't loaded yet your spending money on little usersystems etc.?

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Originally Posted by Tim.

Your a web developer you can charge what you like, I wasnt just paying £5, and that in my eyes wasnt worth it, sorry if you think otherwise.

and the part where you said ' I was crying ' GOD Thats aload of crap. You said We'll wait and see what the hxf users say, and you refunded because several told you to. I Said thank you. but you couldnt drop it because one member sticks up for you. Can you just drop this case, your calling me immature, yet have you seen yourselves i've said atleast twice now forget it i dont care, and you still keep going on and on trying to cause an argument, just shut up? I get the point. I dont give a crap anymore.

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Just trying to stop it coz ur getting beaten hehe.

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Originally Posted by Jackboy

Wow. How do you get clients when you struggle to use correct grammar.

You havn't fought your point about why you should have got a refund.

Now you screwed Excellent2 over, I'm sure it will come back and slap you.

"What goes around comes around"

And your comment on the Habbo Forum is awful. We are in the Web Development section. All of us, at one point, played Habbo. Theres no denying it :P But we have grown up and now we post in the "Web Development" section.

Yes, Habbox Forum may be aimed at habbo users, but I would hazard a guess that the majority of users barely go on habbo.

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I hope Tim gets hit with a big wet fish as punishment :)

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Originally Posted by Tim.

1. Your not proffesional you wouldnt be arguing back with a 'little boy' which shows you feel you have too much pride to lose.

2. I'm arguing back because i genuinealy feel that what your saying is wrong, therefore i will keep arguing.

3. Lol, Why did you issue the refund when they told you to if they know nothing about php? Tell me why.. other that my constant threats.. because thats not the reason you said to wait and see what people told you to do.. Lol

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1. Actually he is arguing back to prove I point which to me he has proved.
2. And you are spoilt thinking the world revolves around you so it has to work our for you or the word will end.
3. Because he does not wish to argue with a 'child'

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Originally Posted by Tim.

You dont want to keep wrecking peoples threads, well you've wrecked my other one enough even though the majority agree with me :) and this is your own thread so you know.


Anyway im bored of fighting with you, i have the money back and now thats all that matters, feel free to keep on arguing and commenting about me, after all it'll just show how proffesional you are, no wait i wouldnt worry about that - You've already proved how proffesional you are in my other thread

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Your wrecking his thread - he came honestly asking weather to give a refund and lets look at you now??

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Originally Posted by Tim.

Yes i understand what your saying, but i feel that hes being unfair in two ways

- Saying im a child, when to be perfectly honest im a year younger than him,

- Saying hes proffessional when he then calls me a child then spends the next 7 pages of threads arguing with me

- I'm pretty sure most proffesionals would be happy to talk to people my age, its those who try too hard to look proffesional that end up resulting to things like this

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Actually most would feel uncomftable due to the fact that you would be unsecure if you get me :P

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

See you don't know what professional means, the way you act is irrelevant.

"A professional is someone who has received formal training in a particular area and who also makes a living from it."


If he is a kid then so are you. As far as I know he hasn't gone into your threads slandering you like you have to him, if he has then I will take it all back.

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You'd best be taking it back coz you've posted in the thread - this one.

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Originally Posted by Flisker

Im with Excellent on this one.

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So am I :P


EDIT: Sorry my spelling sucks coz ill admit it i'm only 12. Anyway yeh im with Excellent :)

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Originally Posted by Lewis-Moody!

You aren't loaded yet your spending money on little usersystems etc.?
Well actualy to be totally honest you spend on what you want, and you know what its got nothing to do with you what i spend my money on, and this project i've been wanting to do it for years, and now im doing it.


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1. Actually he is arguing back to prove I point which to me he has proved.
2. And you are spoilt thinking the world revolves around you so it has to work our for you or the word will end.
At no point did i say the world revolves around me, lol your talking apsolute rubbish, all i said was that i feel im correct so i will carry on arguing? Therefore most of the people in this thread belive the world revolves around them, because theyre arguing in what they think is right.. You really didnt think that one through did you?
3. Because he does not wish to argue with a 'child'
Lol and you posting is going to help because your 12? Wow


Your wrecking his thread - he came honestly asking weather to give a refund and lets look at you now?? How am i wrecking his thread lol thats a load of rubbish, the thread concerns me so i'm arguing my point, you expect me to just shut up as he slanders me and others dont hear the full side of the story?




EDIT: Sorry my spelling sucks coz ill admit it i'm only 12. Anyway yeh im with Excellent :)

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If you read that this argument had honestly turned into a change of subject. and every one else seemed to have stopped arguing about this topic, well done for starting this all again! And actually i think Excellent wanted it to stop aswell. So welldone my friend another 5 pages of arguments will soon start im pretty sure.

Also back to one point Excellent mentioned to get at me and the people who agreed with me - Any coding experience?