LimeWire Shuts Down After Losing Court Battle With The RIAA

Anyone here who spent a week in my shoes would swiftly change their tone.

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Originally Posted by Misawa

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You have said nothing here.

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well it isnt because if the majority of the income for the label comes from album sales and album sales are absolutely plummeting = less money for the label. forget about the artists for a second, its not only affecting them. piracy is getting worse and worse and just imagine if sometime in the future that everybody stopped buying music and just downloaded it. none of the people that are involved in creating the albums would have any money therefore there would be nothing more released.

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But less album sales and greater singles sales has NOTHING to do with piracy.

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cos they work harder

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Would you like a prize for working that out?

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

You have said nothing here.


But less album sales and greater singles sales has NOTHING to do with piracy.


Would you like a prize for working that out?

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Edited by HotelUser (Forum Moderator): Please don't be rude to other forum members, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Misawa

This guy has never worked a day in his life. *REMOVED*

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You have said nothing here.

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This is getting repetitive. Unless you can actually say anything about your argument without resulting to insults then you should probably stop typing.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

This is getting repetitive. Unless you can actually say anything about your argument without resulting to insults then you should probably stop typing.

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I explained my argument with facts and figures and destroyed any petty defense you have tried to put up. You have presented nothing but complete ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

But less album sales and greater singles sales has NOTHING to do with piracy.

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i didnt say the singles sales had anything to do with piracy. its called cherry picking. someone goes onto itunes, listens to all the previews for all the songs on an album and picks out the songs they want and only pay a few quid but if they want the whole album they could just easily torrent it or what ever.

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Would you like a prize for working that out?

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erm what? so why was you arguing against the touring thing then? youre tapped ahahha

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

This is getting repetitive. Unless you can actually say anything about your argument without resulting to insults then you should probably stop typing.

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that is pretty rich considering your first post to me...

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i didnt say the singles sales had anything to do with piracy. its called cherry picking. someone goes onto itunes, listens to all the previews for all the songs on an album and picks out the songs they want and only pay a few quid but if they want the whole album they could just easily torrent it or what ever.

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I'm not sure what you just said? Are you encouraging piracy now?

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erm what? so why was you arguing against the touring thing then? youre tapped ahahha

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that is pretty rich considering your first post to me...

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Mod edits take things out of context.

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Originally Posted by Misawa

I explained my argument with facts and figures and destroyed any petty defense you have tried to put up. You have presented nothing but complete ignorance.

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And I defended my argument with logic. Yet all you could produce was a muddled rush of insults and nonsense.


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You have no idea. None. You will come out with zero in a discussion with me about entertainment piracy. I have all the facts, I work in the industry. I know EXACTLY what piracy does, and you don't. I'm the film-maker who knows the financial stress of and on movies. And I'm the journalist who writes the articles on piracy that you read.

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You have no idea.

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You have no Idea that I have no idea.

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You will come out with zero in a discussion with me about entertainment piracy.

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That's your opinion but it's not for you to decide. But this is mostly just filler to make me feel bad.

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I have all the facts, I work in the industry.

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False assumption one: Just because you work in the industry does not mean you know all the facts.

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I know EXACTLY what piracy does, and you don't.

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Please tell me how you have worked this out. Piracy is more than just person doesn't get money. It's far more complex than that.

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I'm the film-maker who knows the financial stress of and on movies.

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Nice to know, tells me nothing.

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And I'm the journalist who writes the articles on piracy that you read.

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Oh really? You're rather contradictory aren't you.

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This guy has never worked a day in his life. You are a prime example of the ignorant, cowardly kids sat behind their computers without a clue or care in the world.

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This guy has never worked a day in his life.

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Not quite sure how you found this out?

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It's a shame you couldn't think of anything more.. productive?

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Originally Posted by Misawa

I'm fully aware that piracy can't effectively be stopped. It just sickens me.

These days movies are in cinemas for extended periods of time and get a home video release quicker than ever, and the gap is closing still. Look at what Disney did with Alice in Wonderland. You can also download legally on demand these days.

There truly is no legitimate excuse for piracy. People assume everybody in these industries are filthy rich and that is completely not the case. What if Paranormal Activity didn't make over $100 at the box office? Writer/director Oren Peli made $6,000,000 out of that and he got a bum percentages deal because he signed into it with eagerness, like you would, and Paramount took advantage of him. They never even expected the film to do as well as it did and he ended up taking a big amount of cash, but look at the comparison to what the studio got. But what about those who pirated the film before it was even a success? They were spiting money going into the pockets of a man who had made his own movie completely by himself, with just three actors, in his own house, for just $15,000. The film took two years to get distribution.

My point is that not everyone in the industry is Tom Cruise. Independent films are getting the best exposure they have in years and yet people are pirating indie movies. People say they love film, yet they steal from it? What if I told you about some independent film that completely blew me away and was made on a shoestring and has an ultra-small distribution deal? Would you still steal it and not support the film-makers? It's theft. It costs money to make a film which is why you pay to see them. It's a business. Life isn't free and if it was there wouldn't be any movies. If you love film, support it, don't steal. It's exactly the same as shoplifting. You may think you're doing no harm, and there are countless others who think the same thing. Next thing you know and people are costing one single film millions upon millions of dollars.

No one can defend piracy. There is no defense for it. Would you defend stealing a woman's purse in the street or pickpocketing someone's wallet on the London Underground? And anyone who tries to prove me wrong is most likely too ignorant living in that bubble of theirs to even bother comprehending how the world works. It's life.

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I do kind of understand where you are coming from, however I can't help but think that a lot of the people who download illegally wouldn't of bought it if that was the only option anyway. So it's either them not buying it or them getting it for free but spreading the word. Films like Paranormal Activity wouldn't have been so successful if it wasn't for people recommending it to eachover, basically just word of mouth advertising via social websites and any other forms of conversation. I'm sure a large percentage of illegal downloaders are aged 18 and under so are unlikely to have the cash to afford music/films. Most people I know around my age only choose to download music illegally, films they either just watch on TV or view new releases at the cinema.