Poppy-burning Muslim protesters mar Armistice Day commemorations.

That's disgusting. It annoys me how some people try to change Britain. If you want to live here you have to get used to it. It's not everyone and I think what they did is a disgrace.

Islam isn't a race.

Hmmm, what ignorant and clearly disrespectful pigs. No wonder no one takes their kind seriously.

Whether we like it or not, these people have every right to do what they doing however distasteful we may find that. I think the real issue is hypocrisy again from government which paints a misleading picture and which fuels anger over issues such as this - this government and the last government allow these types of protests to go ahead but do not allow the likes of the English Defence League to protest, if you are going to have democracy and liberty then it has to be two sided. It was only a month or two ago that the police arrested a group of lads (thuggish as they seemed) for burning the Koran.

If it continues to be one-sided then you will only have more people joining the likes of the EDL.

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Whether we like it or not, these people have every right to do what they doing however distasteful we may find that. I think the real issue is hypocrisy again from government which paints a misleading picture and which fuels anger over issues such as this - this government and the last government allow these types of protests to go ahead but do not allow the likes of the English Defence League to protest, if you are going to have democracy and liberty then it has to be two sided. It was only a month or two ago that the police arrested a group of lads (thuggish as they seemed) for burning the Koran.

If it continues to be one-sided then you will only have more people joining the likes of the EDL.

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True, but it doesn't make it right. I'd happily have had the EDL be there and smash their heads in - although the EDL would've been arrested. But it's so wrong that Muslims can do what they want here, they can protest, they can follow their ridiculous laws, yet over there, if we went and lived, we'd get hung if we did half of what they do.

It's so disrespectful and I think that if we're going to allow them to do that, the EDL should be allowed to do what they want? It's the same thing, except the EDL are seen as attacking a minority, and therefore it is wrong, yet those Muslims are attacking the majority - aka more people will be offended, yet it is right?

HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE.

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True, but it doesn't make it right. I'd happily have had the EDL be there and smash their heads in - although the EDL would've been arrested. But it's so wrong that Muslims can do what they want here, they can protest, they can follow their ridiculous laws, yet over there, if we went and lived, we'd get hung if we did half of what they do.

It's so disrespectful and I think that if we're going to allow them to do that, the EDL should be allowed to do what they want? It's the same thing, except the EDL are seen as attacking a minority, and therefore it is wrong, yet those Muslims are attacking the majority - aka more people will be offended, yet it is right?

HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE.

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Both should be allowed provided it stays within traditional English law (which discounts ridiculous modern law and European legislation).

The entire basis for freedom of speech is to protect and allow those with unpopular views to air them, be it in actions, protests or writing. There is no right in traditional English law not to be offended, and that includes (whether we like it or not) veterans who have served in the war and ourselves.

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yet those Muslims are attacking the majority - aka more people will be offended, yet it is right?

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It is right because that is freedom of speech, you can't pick and choose what views to allow.

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Both should be allowed provided it stays within traditional English law (which discounts ridiculous modern law and European legislation).

The entire basis for freedom of speech is to protect and allow those with unpopular views to air them, be it in actions, protests or writing. There is no right in traditional English law not to be offended, and that includes (whether we like it or not) veterans who have served in the war and ourselves.



It is right because that is freedom of speech, you can't pick and choose what views to allow.

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But the point is that the protests were - in effect - violent? I don't see how burning a very symbolic object is peaceful? It's just burning the stars & strips flag in America, or burning the Koran. It's seen as a crime. But they can do that?

I'm all for freeedom of speech but this is political correctness gone mad.

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But the point is that the protests were - in effect - violent? I don't see how burning a very symbolic object is peaceful? It's just burning the stars & strips flag in America, or burning the Koran. It's seen as a crime. But they can do that?

I'm all for freeedom of speech but this is political correctness gone mad.

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I dont think you quite understand the meaning of violent

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It was only a month or two ago that the police arrested a group of lads (thuggish as they seemed) for burning the Koran.

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Two wrongs do not make a right, and allowing ignorance like this just leads to the ignorant disease spreading. Good on the police for arresting them, they're clearly dumb people too and should probably not be seen nor heard. Same as these ignoramuses who were burning poppies for goodness knows what reason, probably to troll. Freedom of expression and free speech are reserved for people who have done research and know what they're talking about, and both sides are as stupid and dumb as they can get and are not allowed these "rights" as they are clearly incapable of rational thought.

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But the point is that the protests were - in effect - violent? I don't see how burning a very symbolic object is peaceful? It's just burning the stars & strips flag in America, or burning the Koran. It's seen as a crime. But they can do that?

I'm all for freeedom of speech but this is political correctness gone mad.

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It is only seen as a crime in the eyes of modern law and European type law, as I said before there seems to be some ridiculous notion now that you have a right to be not offended and that to offend somebody is a crime. It may offically be a crime, but to anybody with an ounce of common sense - its a draconian law which infringes on our rights.

If I want to burn an effigy of my family, I should be allowed to do so.
If I want to burn the British flag, I should be allowed to do so.
If I want to burn the bible, I should be allowed to do so.
If I want to burn the Koran, I should be allowed to do so.
If I want to draw the prophet Muhammad, I should be allowed to do so.
If I want to deny the holocaust, I should be allowed to do so.

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Two wrongs do not make a right, and allowing ignorance like this just leads to the ignorant disease spreading. Good on the police for arresting them, they're clearly dumb people too and should probably not be seen nor heard. Same as these ignoramuses who were burning poppies for goodness knows what reason, probably to troll. Freedom of expression and free speech are reserved for people who have done research and know what they're talking about, and both sides are as stupid and dumb as they can get and are not allowed these "rights" as they are clearly incapable of rational thought.

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You have basically just told me that freedom of speech is reserved to those who agree with you, the same logic which all dictatorships have used along with what form Islam currently takes and which the Catholic Church used to take before its power was broken.