Labour refuse to make pledge not to raise tuition fees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgnFBm4p6YU

Wow yeah, so they [Labour] lied in 2001 and said they wouldn't bring tuition fees in - then after winning the General Election they went and brought them in, and now not only will they not promise to reverse these rises in tuition fees (even if they did promise, given their past record who in their right mind would believe them?) they now also refuse to rule out another rise in tuition fees.

..and to think some of you are considering voting for this clown.

Oh and here is the UK debt as it currently stands (so before anyone blames the banks/financial crisis, as you can see - it was general government overspending and not thanks to the banking crisis) - one day this will all have to be paid back, and we will all be paying for it.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101211C/iaza19164386231900.bmp

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgnFBm4p6YU

Wow yeah, so they [Labour] lied in 2001 and said they wouldn't bring tuition fees in - then after winning the General Election they went and brought them in, and now not only will they not promise to reverse these rises in tuition fees (even if they did promise, given their past record who in their right mind would believe them?) they now also refuse to rule out another rise in tuition fees.

..and to think some of you are considering voting for this clown.

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to be honest it's better than lying and saying you won't and then changing your mind.

He didn't say he wouldn't he said he wouldn't say whether he will 5 years in advance of the bloody election, which is what anyone in the right mind would say! You cannot say what's going to happen until you get into Government and assess the full situation.

If Ed Milliband had turned around and said "yes as soon as I get into office I'll change this back" I'd have laughed at him, who knows what could happen in 5 years? This change could have a positve impact on our University system and the tories and LD's will be turning around saying "I told you so" - he wouldn't reverse the changes then, would he? However just as likely this change could have catastrophic impact on our university system, and then Ed Milliband probably would change it back if in power in 2015, or at least make amendments.

I would expect no politician to tell me, now in 2010 what they're gonna do in 2015 if they get in power, because quite frankly nobody knows what will happen between now and then. Any politician doing otherwise, is only more likely in my opinion to break their promises.

Enough with the Labour bashing, this is a good move by Milliband.

He and his party sit there telling you all how they are against this tuition fees and "oh isn't it awful how these dreadful tories and their lib dem sidekicks are making you all pay more in tuition fees?" and they are wanting you to vote for them because you actually, incredibly, seem to believe that this lot wouldn't have done the same thing (as proven by their past records).

He can't even make a simple pledge to such a big issue that he's making a big noise about, and I ask again; even if he did make a pledge not to increase fees yet again/go back to the £3,000 benchmark - why and what makes you believe a word he and his party say?

You are voting for PR stuntmen like him surrounded by spin doctors and yet you are somehow suprised when they bugger you over.

You seem to have ignored everything I said about not being able to know what'll happen in 5 years time therefore he would be an idiot to say he'd do something when he doesnt know what the consequences of the current policy will be :S

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

You seem to have ignored everything I said about not being able to know what'll happen in 5 years time therefore he would be an idiot to say he'd do something when he doesnt know what the consequences of the current policy will be :S

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Oh well thats what anyone could say isn't it? "I don't know what will happen but vote for me anyway because you can trust me and my party" - if he's so against this policy he can easily make a pledge not to increase fees/bring fees back to the £3,000 benchmark. But he won't will he? this guy remember doesn't care about the finances of the country so its not a case of being concerned about money, so when he says "we don't know what will happen in 5 years" what does he expect to happen? what could possibly happen except the debt he ran up growing even bigger and bigger. No parliament can bind its successor. If you and many others are going to fall yet again for this trick (this time with even vaguer promises) then you deserve to pay more in fees as you are voting for it time and time again.

And if you think this guy is bothered about debt then look at the big green graph that his government ran up during their time in office.

Makes perfect political sense "Underpromise and overperform" is what he said, much better than "Overpromise and underperform".

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Makes perfect political sense "Underpromise and overperform" is what he said, much better than "Overpromise and underperform".

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I think you'll find in normal speak and not political speak thats called not giving an answer to a very simple question. Mr Miliband and the Labour Party seem to feel very strongly about this issue, so you'd expect them to have some sort of opinion on it/draft policy - not a vague answer.

Or is it the case that they actually agree with the Conservatives/Liberal Democrats but say they don't for your vote come the next election.. Hmm not a hard one really given their past performance on this issue and various other issues.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I think you'll find in normal speak and not political speak thats called not giving an answer to a very simple question. Mr Miliband and the Labour Party seem to feel very strongly about this issue, so you'd expect them to have some sort of opinion on it/draft policy - not a vague answer.

Or is it the case that they actually agree with the Conservatives/Liberal Democrats but say they don't for your vote come the next election.. Hmm not a hard one really given their past performance on this issue and various other issues.

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Considering the next election is 4 years away I think they'll want to see how this works out before announcing any policies

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Considering the next election is 4 years away I think they'll want to see how this works out before announcing any policies

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So despite all their attacks on this policy 'the poor worst off etc' you think that they are not announcing any policies because 'they want to see how it works'? you really believe that do you? if that was the case, why would they attack the policy now and if the policy is as bad as they are claiming, why are they a) not pledging to repeal this tuition fee rise & b) they refuse to pledge not to increase the fees yet again when they gain office.

Repealing the policy is one thing, but not ruling out more rises is another - especially when they are on the attack at the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats for this present rise in tuition fees. As I said before, they don't actually disagree with this policy - hence why they won't say anything on it other than make party political attacks. It is an excellent way to gain votes and is the same tactic that the Conservative Party used during the last election, and judging by the numbers still voting Labour (and Conservative for that matter) its still working.

They are the same but they exaggerate differences between them for electoral advantage, and you along with millions of others fall for it year on year.