America and Guns...

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13-06-2006, 06:25 AM
Nixt

America and Guns...

Every Week, an Average of 88 Children are Expelled From American Schools for Bringing Guns to Class...

Need I say much more?

The world's obsession with Arms is quite disturbing, yet America seem to have the most problems. America boasts 200 Million of the World's 639 Million small arms, and this makes it incredibly easy for people incredibly young to go to their homes, pick up a gun and then make their way to school or a friend's house.
Nearly one in three American households have a gun in them, 30% of these leave the gun loaded and unlocked.
The ease at which young people can get weapons is clearly a problem, the firearm-related death rate in America for under 15s is twelve times high than the average twenty five in other industrialised countries...
13-06-2006, 06:46 AM
Adam$

Wow, quite a figure.
13-06-2006, 10:49 AM
RedStratocas

Im all for the stereotyping Americans stuff, but this is a bit too much. Yeah, obviously we have a problem-- but it's not like we are unaware. (Correct me if I'm wrong) The right to bear arms is the 2nd thing in the constitution, it's not like having a gun is illegal here. Also, you forget to mention that 99.9% of kids who bring a gun to school, DONT USE IT. Theres an average of 1, maybe 2 school shootings in the U.S. per year (none for over a year).

What does how many guns we sell/buy have to do with how easy it is to get one from your house and bring it to your friend's house? I dont see the connection

Also, the figure about how many houses have guns- You didn't cancel out the percentage of those guns left unlocked with how many of those houses have children in them. The unlocking the gun thing may seem stupid, but people do it for self-defence. In an emergency, you don't have time to unlock your gun. I dont have one, and I am for locking up guns, but Im explaining the thinking behind it.

You've probably heard this before-- Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
13-06-2006, 11:00 AM
HUGECOOL

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Originally Posted by RedStratocas

You've probably heard this before-- Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

“And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that…”

- Eddie Izzard
13-06-2006, 02:56 PM
Nixt

I understand what you are saying, but the fact guns have been left around lead to many problems...
As you said the Second Amendment to the constitution does say "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms". But the way they keep these arms are far from sensible. Even now, the sale and manufacture of Assault weapons still continues, following votes against an amended bill that stopped this.
I am not saying this is the case with everyone, but I am merely saying it is something of a problem.
13-06-2006, 03:44 PM
HUGECOOL

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Originally Posted by RedStratocas

Im all for the stereotyping Americans stuff, but this is a bit too much. Yeah, obviously we have a problem-- but it's not like we are unaware. (Correct me if I'm wrong) The right to bear arms is the 2nd thing in the constitution, it's not like having a gun is illegal here. Also, you forget to mention that 99.9% of kids who bring a gun to school, DONT USE IT. Theres an average of 1, maybe 2 school shootings in the U.S. per year (none for over a year).

What does how many guns we sell/buy have to do with how easy it is to get one from your house and bring it to your friend's house? I dont see the connection

Also, the figure about how many houses have guns- You didn't cancel out the percentage of those guns left unlocked with how many of those houses have children in them. The unlocking the gun thing may seem stupid, but people do it for self-defence. In an emergency, you don't have time to unlock your gun. I dont have one, and I am for locking up guns, but Im explaining the thinking behind it.

You've probably heard this before-- Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

The amendment concerning arms was made to apply to the time the amendment itself was made. Because there were criminals at the time as well, people had to protect themselves and many individuals carried guns around with them for protection. The amendment is useless now, but still provides citizens with the right to bear arms, however, it would have been impossible for them to predict the problems such amendment would bring upon society in the future.
13-06-2006, 03:53 PM
louder

Hmm.. Sounds a bit sterotypical.. But yeah. All these Console Games like GTA and 50 Cent : Bulletproof lead us to think this way.
13-06-2006, 05:54 PM
Metric.

We don't have one, but my dad always said that if you have a flag outside your house, then you own a gun.
13-06-2006, 06:39 PM
RedStratocas

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Originally Posted by Persevare

I understand what you are saying, but the fact guns have been left around lead to many problems...
As you said the Second Amendment to the constitution does say "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms". But the way they keep these arms are far from sensible. Even now, the sale and manufacture of Assault weapons still continues, following votes against an amended bill that stopped this.
I am not saying this is the case with everyone, but I am merely saying it is something of a problem.

I have NEVER heard anyone trying to pass an amendment bill to ban manufacturing guns; probably because it will NEVER pass. Amendments are hard to pass, there have only been 17 or so times a new amendment is seen, which isnt much after 200 years.

Your arguement about how people are irresponsible with guns isnt very well kept. Why not ban cars? People are killed in car accedents much more than by guns. How come thats not a problem? You can be equally, or even more irresponsible with a car than with a gun.

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Originally Posted by Lunk.

Hmm.. Sounds a bit sterotypical.. But yeah. All these Console Games like GTA and 50 Cent : Bulletproof lead us to think this way.

No; thats a bad arguement too. If games like that promote violence so much, how come teen violence is down so much since GTA's first release. In fact, games like GTA have probably helped violence go down. This is absolutly accurate: this game helps kids deal with violence like that in a game, rather than in real life.
13-06-2006, 06:47 PM
RedStratocas

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Originally Posted by Fyta

The amendment concerning arms was made to apply to the time the amendment itself was made. Because there were criminals at the time as well, people had to protect themselves and many individuals carried guns around with them for protection. The amendment is useless now, but still provides citizens with the right to bear arms, however, it would have been impossible for them to predict the problems such amendment would bring upon society in the future.

Incorrect: Last time I checked there are more crimminals now than in 1776. I dont see why the amendment is so different now.

Sorry for the double post.
13-06-2006, 07:44 PM
Jargit

I Think They Shoudl Be Completely Banned. Except For Police ETC...
13-06-2006, 08:02 PM
RedStratocas

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Originally Posted by Ironcat

I Think They Shoudl Be Completely Banned. Except For Police ETC...

Shift key abuse is more of a problem.
15-06-2006, 05:37 PM
Nixt

The total banning of guns in America would be far too difficult, more restrictions would make more sense.
15-06-2006, 05:43 PM
louder

People wont follow the rules though if there are restrictions, I mean, when are rules every followed?
15-06-2006, 05:49 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Americas Population is bigger than most countries, So it will have more Guns.

Also I think that Americas should be allowed to arm themselves in there homes, And we should too.
15-06-2006, 05:50 PM
HUGECOOL

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Originally Posted by RedStratocas

Incorrect: Last time I checked there are more crimminals now than in 1776. I dont see why the amendment is so different now.

Sorry for the double post.

I think it's pretty much a given that there are more criminals now than there were at that time, however, because there was very little law enforcement and the first police department in the United States wouldn't exist for about 60 more years. Because there was no law enforcement, people had to defend themselves and had to carry handguns in case they were needed.
15-06-2006, 07:13 PM
Sammeth.

America decide to have that many guns
America are aware of a "problem" if there is that much of one.
They are allowed to do it, so why not? They should be allowed to arm themselves. Nothing against it, so its up to them how they keep there guns. What are the rest of the world going to do about it? America is the most powerful country in the world, and thats not gonna change for a while I doubt. Im all up for saying "No more guns" but jeez. There laws, there decisions. Free will is an amazing thing, no?
15-06-2006, 07:20 PM
RedStratocas

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Originally Posted by Fyta

I think it's pretty much a given that there are more criminals now than there were at that time, however, because there was very little law enforcement and the first police department in the United States wouldn't exist for about 60 more years. Because there was no law enforcement, people had to defend themselves and had to carry handguns in case they were needed.

Im talking about break-ins, assult etc; not carrying guns around (which by the way is only legal in very few states). Police dont just happen to be there. There has to be another means of self defence.