Quote from Jordy " RUMOURS ?!? "

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08-01-2007, 06:04 PM
e5

Quote from Jordy " RUMOURS ?!? "

I totally agree with Jordy and he posted this in the wrong section so I will post it here for him!

Quote:

jordy
" Hello, as you well know it's called the

HABBO UK NEWS AND RUMOURS

The noun rumour has one meaning:
Meaning #1: gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth

A RUMOUR IS CLEARLY TRUTH OR UNTRUTH

When people post a RUMOUR MODs ask for proof.
If I posted a rumour with proof, it would then become NEWS.

So if a rumour has to provide a screenshot it would clearly be NEWS.

This rumour of the Habbo UK news and rumours forum is out of control and it's annoying lots of us.

Basically we may as well call it Habbo UK News if MODs aren't sticking to the true meaning of the word rumour.

Btw I know this is the wrong forum but this is really annoying me and lots of other members. Can a MOD clarify this? "
08-01-2007, 06:05 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by DX

I totally agree with Jordy and he posted this in the wrong section so I will post it here for him!

So we can post in the rumours section saying: 'OMG HABBO IS GOING TO BLOW UP, NO PROOF ONLY RUMOUR K'

Cause that goes by what you say. The News and Rumour forum would be spammed up.
08-01-2007, 06:07 PM
e5

ye then we wouldn't belive them, it is still a RUMOUR though?

nd it doesn't have to be truth as he is making a rumour u

proof = news
08-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Nixt

Quote:

Originally Posted by LovePanda

So we can post in the rumours section saying: 'OMG HABBO IS GOING TO BLOW UP, NO PROOF ONLY RUMOUR K'

Cause that goes by what you say. The News and Rumour forum would be spammed up.

LovePanda has a very good point :]! It's also because rumours have to have some sort of basis or they are not really rumours, more sort of suggestions aren't they :). There needs to be a reason behind why you think it will happen saying something along the lines of "I saw it in housekeeping" is not sufficient enough to back up the rumour.
08-01-2007, 06:09 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by DX

ye then we wouldn't belive them, it is still a RUMOUR though?

nd it doesn't have to be truth as he is making a rumour u

proof = news

But that means we won't beleive anything without proof.
And how do you know it's not true that Habbo's going to blow up?
08-01-2007, 06:31 PM
e5

yah thats the whole point of rumours to belive to not to beleive
08-01-2007, 06:34 PM
Kardan

Quote:

Originally Posted by DX

yah thats the whole point of rumours to belive to not to beleive

So everyone can post anything without any proof. :rolleyes:
08-01-2007, 06:35 PM
DannyyTBH.

Correct ^^ :D
08-01-2007, 06:40 PM
e5

if they wish, but if habbox don't like it, then they can remove the 'rumours' bit
08-01-2007, 06:46 PM
Ostinato

I think theres a line.

Like people should be able to post saying something like "Hey theres a rumour going around that the *green parasol* is next on sale" without having to provide solid evidence, as it's in relation to Habbo and is a rumour.

If it's something compltely ridiculous and spam, aka "habbo is going to blow up" etc. then I think that can be removed etc. as it's clear it's spam and has no truth or meaning behind it.
08-01-2007, 06:50 PM
F32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ostinato

I think theres a line.

Like people should be able to post saying something like "Hey theres a rumour going around that the *green parasol* is next on sale" without having to provide solid evidence, as it's in relation to Habbo and is a rumour.

If it's something compltely ridiculous and spam, aka "habbo is going to blow up" etc. then I think that can be removed etc. as it's clear it's spam and has no truth or meaning behind it.

Then if Habbo does actually blow up, you're *****ed.
08-01-2007, 07:00 PM
Jin

Just to clarify what ostinato said.

News would be something like "Jibbi returns to the hotel after peru" with something like a screenshot of something like "Message from habbo staff: Jibbi is coming back" and a console image of Jibbi online with the mission "I am back"

Rumours would be something like,

"Dionysus might leave Habbo hotel" with something like a screenshot of Dionysus' name not being on the staff list or he had implied it at the soapbox.

The difference being that one item has been confirmed by the party, being Habbo Hotel Ltd, the other hasnt but there is some proof of why this claim had been made but it isnt news because it isnt factual as of yet.

If you look at media they all report on rumours especially in celebrity gossip magazines but it hasnt just been made up because a journalists wife said
"oooo guess what? I think madonna and justin timberlake will get hitched in las vegas"
and a journalist goes and prints the story but because there is some sort of evidence be it not very strong, supporting the claim.
08-01-2007, 07:01 PM
scubadiva

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ostinato

I think theres a line.

Like people should be able to post saying something like "Hey theres a rumour going around that the *green parasol* is next on sale" without having to provide solid evidence, as it's in relation to Habbo and is a rumour.

If it's something compltely ridiculous and spam, aka "habbo is going to blow up" etc. then I think that can be removed etc. as it's clear it's spam and has no truth or meaning behind it.

I agree with you there, moderators should just use their discretion (sp?) to decide whether a thread is spam or not.
08-01-2007, 07:18 PM
e5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jin

Just to clarify what ostinato said.

News would be something like "Jibbi returns to the hotel after peru" with something like a screenshot of something like "Message from habbo staff: Jibbi is coming back" and a console image of Jibbi online with the mission "I am back"

Rumours would be something like,

"Dionysus might leave Habbo hotel" with something like a screenshot of Dionysus' name not being on the staff list or he had implied it at the soapbox.

The difference being that one item has been confirmed by the party, being Habbo Hotel Ltd, the other hasnt but there is some proof of why this claim had been made but it isnt news because it isnt factual as of yet.

If you look at media they all report on rumours especially in celebrity gossip magazines but it hasnt just been made up because a journalists wife said
"oooo guess what? I think madonna and justin timberlake will get hitched in las vegas"
and a journalist goes and prints the story but because there is some sort of evidence be it not very strong, supporting the claim.

No, A rumour would simply be: " Rumour has it Dionysus is leaving habbo UK "

O and thank you Ostinato :)
08-01-2007, 09:11 PM
nvrspk4

That user defined "rumour" from an outside source. Habbox plainly defines "rumour" as followed:

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What is a rumour?
A rumour is information that hasn't been announced publicly by Sulake. You are allowed to post rumours however they must be backed up with evidence. Any evidence which has been edited i.e a staff's speech bubble, could get you into trouble!

Please do not post a rumour if you have no proof!

By registering to Habbox you agreed to follow our Terms and Conditions, and if we want to specify parameters differently than a perfectly good dictionary we reserve the right to.

Now in certain cases, rock solid proof isn't 100% necessary, for example if you use logical reasoning to come to a conclusion. However the decision of whether its logical or not falls to the moderator, so if you do not provide proof it is up to the moderator. Hence that thread, actually gave some reasoning, however by not having any proof at all, it is up to the whim of the moderator.

Therefore, you cannot question the validity of his decision too much. That being said, I don't mean it like, "Oh, the rule is like this and this is how it should stay", however his action based on the current rules was correct, whether those rules should be in place is something you as the members of Habbox have the right to do and what you're doing, however I just wanted to clear up that the decision based on the current rules was not wrong, though if you disagree with it and back up your thinking Forum Managers might rethink it.
09-01-2007, 12:08 AM
ReviewDude

Proof, in the Forum's opinion (as pointed out in my thread) is basically a source.

If you post that there's a rumour "Habbo is shutting down" - if you post a screenshot of someone telling you it - it's a rumour. If you include a link, or information as to why you think it's shutting down - it's a rumour.

If you just post "I heard someone says Habbo is shutting down" or "I think Habbo will shut down" it's not a rumour - and will be moved to Anything About Habbo, or locked.
09-01-2007, 01:12 AM
GommeInc

Habbox bend the meaning of "Rumour" a little. Habbox has rumour defined as like a probability of chances with some evidence, but not enough to make it certain. For example, "A staff member is leaving" is a rumour if it has been hinted with a name missing on a page, Habbo Home banned etc and the probability is a list of different staff rumoured to be leaving.

If Habbox kept by just having News and Rumours, it will be filled with good news and lots of spam. Habbox has more like a News and Certain Rumours type forum.
09-01-2007, 01:35 AM
ReviewDude

Well you don't need specific evidence, for instance if you can prove you've had a lot of console messages about something - or like you say that their name is missing - it's a rumour, and is fine.

What you can't do is make up some elaborate story and not back it up - however flimsily.
10-01-2007, 10:02 AM
sierk1

Maybe we should add a rule that rumours posted should be backed up by some kind of justification.
10-01-2007, 04:45 PM
e5

yes, but then how is it a rumour

your definition of a rumour needs proof, so if it is not from sulake its not true? i've said it before, if proof is giving then its news :l
10-01-2007, 05:37 PM
Jin

Quote:

Originally Posted by dx

your definition of a rumour needs proof, so if it is not from sulake its not true? i've said it before, if proof is giving then its news :l

I find this hard to understand how after several explanations you seem to fail to understand why we ask for proof for rumours.

Right,

Quote:

"Hallways 1 and 2 are missing" (proof: Hallways 1 and 2 no longer on navigator)

THAT IS NEWS. Because it is factual, hallway 1 and 2 are missing it is a fact because it isnt on the navigator.

Quote:

"Hallways 1 and 2 may go" (Proof: Screenie with Habbo Staff saying "Enjoy the hallways while you can"

THAT IS A RUMOUR. It is a rumour because it is not news released by Habbo Hotel LTD. They havent told us exactly why to enjoy the hallways, they havent said they will be leaving the navigator all they have said is to enjoy them and the rest has been assumed by a large group of people.

The fact is that there is some sort of justification to back up a claim, it doesnt make it news as if it was news on Habbox and other fansites you would see.

"Hallways 1 and 2 are to leave the navigator"

But because its a rumour that has been justified by some sort of proof to back up the claim it would most likely be reported as:

"At 12pm today, Habbo Staff sent this screenie..... Could the hallways be leaving us forever?"

So in your definition, any statement made by an individual is technically a rumour?

So in the playground if someone called you "an idiot" then in that sense bystanders would not be wrong in saying "Rumour has it that blah blah is an idiot"

Plus I am sure that rumours also need to be something of a common belief so a one person statement such as "habbo x" saying "omgdz habbo iz closin" wouldnt count as a rumour as it is just one individuals opinion or statement.
11-01-2007, 04:33 AM
nvrspk4

Quote:

Originally Posted by GommeInc

Habbox bend the meaning of "Rumour" a little. Habbox has rumour defined as like a probability of chances with some evidence, but not enough to make it certain. For example, "A staff member is leaving" is a rumour if it has been hinted with a name missing on a page, Habbo Home banned etc and the probability is a list of different staff rumoured to be leaving.

If Habbox kept by just having News and Rumours, it will be filled with good news and lots of spam. Habbox has more like a News and Certain Rumours type forum.

Yes, we do bend it a little to fit our needs, but it keeps a lot of the spam out. The reason for that rule is though VERY VERY few cases could not have proof and be true, then we would get many posts like this and roflADAM's complaining how their thread was technically in the rules but it was really not credible at all. This isn't to attack them, its an example of what would happen, and technically we couldn't close the thread. As I said, should they provide reasoning its up to a moderator. Hence the leeway to make room for special cases, but still giving us the power to close bogus threads.

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Originally Posted by DX

yes, but then how is it a rumour

your definition of a rumour needs proof, so if it is not from sulake its not true? i've said it before, if proof is giving then its news :l

A rumor has not happened yet, it is rumored to happen in the future.

News has happened and has already occurred and is being reported on after the event.

That's the simple way of putting it.
11-01-2007, 05:17 PM
ReviewDude

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierk1

Maybe we should add a rule that rumours posted should be backed up by some kind of justification.

I believe that already exists...