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I want to start creating programs, and to use the easiest one avaliable. I heard VB & Python were good. I downloaded both. VB is full of files and I can't get it started because I can't seem to find the actual program & python is just text thats it. I heard of EPL, so I downloaded it because it had buttons ect, rather than coding your program from scratch, but my AVG found 6 virus's on it. So any help? :8
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i use VB so icant help you sorry
What do you mean VB is full of files?
Visual Basic is probably one of the most obvious and easy to start with due to its graphical IDE, and drop and drag form editor "/ plus being a basic language the programming commands are quite obvious and simple.
If you really want to go somewhere with it, learn PHP. If you can understand basic logic (like 'if mom buys milk, then eat a cookie'), you can get a good start, and then gradually learn more.
You don't need a program to use it, just notepad (or another text editor but NOT Microsoft Word) and a server with PHP (or you can install PHP on your own system and run it like a server, but that's more advanced). There's lots of free php-enabled hosts, just search around. None of the common ones have it, like freewebs or piczo, but a google search will bring up literally thousands that do.
I'd reccomend using http://www.w3schools.com to learn the basics, and if you're still interested, buy a book.
nice info there voldemort
php isnt compiled (in normal circumstance) so its not actualy a programming language, its a scripting language, like javascript.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voldemort
If you wanna learn PHP, I'd reccomend checking out www.killerphp.com
Have video tutorials and various other things.
PHP & HTML I already know. But I want to use something which acts like a tool with previews and stuff, like frontpage has, where you can drag and drop stuff and postion things, but for programs.
PHP is a dynamic scripting language, not really programming language. Its best to know it but the easiest programming language to learn is probably Java (Not JavaScript) either that or VB. Java is very self explanatory and you only need notepad and basic knowledge of cmd (if using windows) there’s a load of Java tutorials you can find at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ and that will teach you the basics of complying and writing Java using jdk6 etc. It’s not too hard if you can learn PHP you can learn java no problem. Only took me a few weeks to get the hang of it and I can use it easily now. :)
Jah, that would be so you actually learn how to write python code instead of learning how to drag and drop and have microsoft visual stuff assist you in generating code.Quote:
& python is just text thats it.
Python. Your brain won't turn to mush from using drag-and-drop vb techniques.
Yea, like python it's like one of the 3 p's of ownage. Python, php and perl.
Buy a few books, Python programing for the absolute beginer, Learning python, Jython, python on the win32 if your a windows noob, ect.
Yea yea, get in with PyPy and get program for frozen binaries.
Own it up. Jah.
Then after a while get better IDE for longer projects and stuff.
Edited by micky.blue.eyes (Super Moderator): Please don't bump old threads.
Don't even bother learning Visual Basic. It is one of the worst programming languages out there. Also don't bother with Python because frankly, its not really used for desktop applications. C++ or C# would be your best choice.. but it is far from easy. You can find free C++ IDE/Compilers easy, however, I would recommend dev-c++. C++ is also OS independent.. theortically you can run your program without a Operating System as it is compiled into native machine code. If your are programming solely for windows you may as well stick to Visual Studio 2005 C++ but do not use the .Net stuff as that kills the independancy of c++.
How can you call VB a real programming language anyone? It's so bad it doesn't deserve the title of 'programming language'.
Well if you want to create good gui programs then I would suggest using C++ which is a high level programming language. But I would also use the QT toolkit which allows you to build easy guis and can be compiled in both windows and linux. http://qdevelop.org/download/
Python or Scheme for a beginner. I advise against C++ if you have little experience. Starting with 'simple' languages, particularly multi-paradigm languages like Python and Scheme, helps you to learn the fundamentals without worry too much about the implementation.
Tomm, Python is very popular for desktop applications.
C# is the one I would recommend, or Java.
I would also reccomend C#
C#?? Why not just learn C++ which can be ported to various operating systems. C# can only be compiled in windows.
Largely the same paradigms and constructs but C# is easier to use. You could even call C++ pointless for his needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splinter
With Mono and MonoDevelop you can develop and deploy C# applications on Linux and other operating systems.
Java is very easy to pick up, and there are alot of very nice and helpful ide's avaible for it (blueJ is very good for beginners, as it makes the Object oriented nature of the language more obvious and easy to understand if your new to it) Granted i learnt java with a reasonable amount of programming experience in other langauges which as alot of the key concepts are pretty transferable means my starting isnt really the same as a true beginners.
VB6 is probabaly the easiest to start with as u get quick results, but its quite boreing to use. Java on the other hand is actually pretty fun to mess around with (if your a programming kinda-person) :)
Visual Basic would be the easiest
Java is probably the hardest
VB is the easiest
Defiantly VB, plus there are millions of tut's out there for it... you would be silly to not understand it!
go outdated... go pascal.
Python is a shell programming language, you learn it in University.
If you want to do gaming:
I'd reccomend in this order.
Java
C++
C#
C
Programming:
Visual Basic
Java
C++
etc.
Thanks everyone, but one thing.
This thread was made AGES ago, I don't know why people keep bumping it. ;)
Why would you say that? javas pretty simple when you get down to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Interact
Its easy as pie :pCode:
public class Pie
{
private String filling;
private int tempriture;
public Pie(String fill)
{
filling = fill;
}
public void heat(int temp)
{
tempriture = tempriture + temp;
}
public void cool(int temp)
{
tempriture = tempriture - temp;
}
public int getTemp()
{
return tempriture;
}
public boolean isCooked()
{
return (tempriture > 25);
}
}
Becuse its an interesting thread on a good topic which will remain relvent to any newcomers to programming. Becuse of this theres no reason to stop the discussion about which languages are easyer to learn etc o.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Biogeneric
No need to show off, you just make the rest of us feel bad :( :]Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
I can code basic PHP.
Visual basic is probably you're best place to start.
My brother started off with Java.
But if you want to know C++ C# C
Go at Java & VB.
I think Pascal is a really easy programming language to learn. Its really easy to pick up and its a high level programming language. I have been learning it for almost a year and a half in my programming course so i would say to go for Pascal :)
Edited by H0BJ0B (Forum Moderator): Please do not bump old threads. If you are interested in the subject, start a new topic.
Why bump?
Rofl?Quote:
Originally Posted by Interact
Java is by far one of the most, if not the easiest programming language.