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Is Vista a step in the right direction for Microsoft or is the operating system just too complex for most PCs?
Vista requires 15 GB spaces and 1 GB Ram to run. Most people will have to buy new computers just to be able to run it with good performance. Do you think Microsoft went too advanced too early?
Depends if the change is really worth it.. if its not what its cracked up to be, its pointless ;]
lol at 15gb.
It's just XP with a fancy look.
Um It really Depend's What it's Like i will tell You Monday :)
Yes, I do think Vista is a good step foward. I myself have used this system and to be honest, it is amazing! Some of the features are excellent. With Vista, there is new multimedia features and enhanced security.
Most people say to wait a few weeks/months as it will have bugs in it, which is true.
I laugh at people who complain about having to go and buy a new computer for Vista. Technology is changing, some things demand more. I myself am saving up for a new computer and will definatly choose Vista as my operating system.
I do think it is a good move, although at first there was a lot of talk about Vista looking like Mac OSX but I think it was actually just Mac junkies being picky. Vista looks good and I will be able to use it this weekend hopefully if i get my new lappie by then, so I will be able to see if it works well or not.
Enhanced Security?
It was cracked in two days.
Don't have to buy a new PC.
We recently Installed a new hardrive with 160 GB of space. Which was quite cheap ( Under £100 )
And we installed this thing called Kingston RAM Now we have 1.5 GB of ram
I think it is a good step.
''/ It has better protection against virus' etc not that it cant be cracked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeoro
If it took 2 days since the releace its pretty secure, most things end up craked a few months before they come out "/
Plus looks to be good, my issues with someone of the new drm trusted circitry crap theyve thrown in, I dont like being told what i can and cant do with my own computer. But aside from that, its a pretty decent O/S
Thats what I thought. Ive ordered it for my new pc [free upgrade] but im not really that excited its just another O/S.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
xero please learn to stfu when you don't know what your on about the cracks are all patched already so thats your arguement gone, second its not actually anything like xp as its more enchanted in may differant ways so please shut up
I think no matter what they do, it will be cracked. After all about 90% of the world use a Microsoft operating system ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeoro
Also, at those that say its just a new looking XP, that is completely false. It has amazing new search features, burn feature and amazing music / picture sorting. Picture editing is very easy too now, you dont need to be an expert to make a bad picture look amazing :). Those are just the few features I saw being used.
Haha, apparently mac has had all the features vista does for the past 3 years or something. So it might be good, but they're a bit behind.
People said that vista is a copy of mac osx but mac cant really talk bout nicking ideas lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
I really hate the way macs work, dont know why though.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
Thats mainly becuse mac has more fanboys spreading crap than any O/S though, Id still say XP is better than a mac o/S, never lown Vista.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
Indeed. Whoever created the adverts for Macs should of been shot at birth. At the end of the day, Windows don't need to make half wit adverts to make themselves look cool. As we said one day at college, the person playing Mac should be 50+, because 55% of Mac users are 50+ :P Not to mention, the person playing PC looks like he is doing good for himself, the Mac actor is a "hippy."Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
I will one day go for Vista, but at the moment, I'll wait for a good few months.
Too true the guy who is representing Macs is a broke hippie who spent all his money on an overpriced mac, whereas the PC probably has a nice house with all the things he needs in the world, because he got a job and didnt go to woodstock. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Did you notice in the adverts that PC sounds like he has a family, while with Mac he doesn't exactly talk about his. PC's family must be very good, if you can run them like an office :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ-Precocious
So amoungst that success, PC has a happy family that can change easily.
EDIT: I just watched it, he doesn't hint he has much of a family "/
Yea the mac is a uni student with a trust fund and the PC earned his lifestyle and deserves it lol
It's been out for ages on forums etc. and beta testers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeoro
I've had it for ages and I love it.
No, requires to much memory.
Its not made for old computers for that reason they decided to make it for the future of PCs and the way things are going you can get a decent amount of ram for not too much if your getting a desktop and even laptops are getting more reasonable.
My PC might be able to handle it, it has 2GB RAM and alot of free memory which isn't going to be taken up very fast at the moment.
When Mac OS X was released, could you update an old Mac to it? Or did you have to buy a new Mac altogether?
I am studying the adverts, and it seems to make Mac look crap than great "/ "The way I see it" says Mac. Yes, the way you see something, you take it and blow it up so that it means something completely different. They dominate Home and Office, not take Office to Home. God, it just makes Apple look like fools really "/
True, PC has a happy family. The mac guy is a broke hippy with no friends never lown a family, seriously whod date a guy whod use a mac :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Plus the bus stop adverts **** me off as well. The mac guy can keep his i was build for pics and music. you just need to add a few miles of scroll on to the Pcs to describe what real operateing systems are cabable of o.0
God, them adverts are annoying! They're on Myspace aswell, I thought they got rid of them for a while there... They disappeared yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Actually, there's a difference. Myspace's Mac advert says:
PC: I'm better at work stuff.
Mac: I'm better at fun stuff.
I don't find editting pictures and videos that fun, or how it is portrayed in the adverts. More of a time waster or thing to do really. Besides, you can badly blow up those ideas. A system is really just for work, at you can work to make a good home movie. So really, that advert is just saying that PC is good for literally everything, while Mac is only good for things which can be easily done with a PC, just as well "/
I find it fun. Making movies is not a time waster. Neither is making a really cool picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Anyways this is kind of like the is the iPhone a good idea debate.
I think Vista is a good step foward for Microsoft.
The world of computer is getting more competitive and people should get computers that can handle Vista.
This thread is not about OSX vs. Vista
Vista is a big improvement and has lots of cool features. Like the iPhone, time will tell how much of an impact it will make on the industry.
It is fun, but not in the way 'Mac' protrays it. He makes it seem like it is the best thing in the world, using his amazing, nearly monotone voice. I cannot think of the exact word that you could use. Half the time you don't need to do much with videos, other than join them all together to make a film. If you want special effects, then it can be fun :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
That from a Computer that cant play around 90% of all games... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Agreed, both can be done with pc's just as well though "/ In some cases even easyer due to more 3rd party apps being up for the job in windows, so the adverts really annoy me. Dispite my own technical prefrances, the adverts seriosly do put me off mac, since the mac guy just comes accross as such an arrgoant ****Quote:
Originally Posted by BL!NKEY
Although i suppose your right, this topic aint really about the deep seated hatrid of the apple adverts lol.
i do know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davetaylor
they are patched now, obviously.
Actually the guy playing the PC is John Hodgemen (sp?), he's a semi-known comedian and journalist. He works on the Daily Show (greatest show ever) as a correspondent. Here's a clip of him on the Daily Show (with a brief joke on him being the PC), he's quite funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Actually Im not sure if you guys have the same commercials.
he was on the old load of commersals. hes the best one, although apple got rid of him becuse everyone liked him to much, he got replaced with the annoying guy, whos in peep show if youve ever seen it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
Oh that stinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
I think it's funny that people ***** and moan that an ad promoting one product does so at the expense of another. Welcome to TV children. Ever watch a car commercial, to have one car pass others on the highway to make them look like crap, and you could've sworn you saw a debaged BMW, Mercedes or an Audi amongst the proclaimed losers? People can complain about the Mac ads all they like, but the simple truth is that this is how lots of companies run their ads. It's just a form of marketing, and it isn't going away any time soon. I'd say that the points being made in the ads are fundamentally correct once you look beyond the hyperbole. At the end of the day, Windows machines/OS's ARE typically built for more productivity-type work and Macs are typically built for more media-centric work, but maybe that'll change with Vista. Also, for the record, doesn't anyone remember this ad campaign from a couple years ago? http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...s/default.mspx The site is different than it used to be, but if you look at it, it's all the same stuff - one note quotes on how complicated linux is and how great windows is. And their claim in 04 was that long run Windows-based systems were cheaper in the long-run than linux based systems. And linux people were in an uproar saying their data was misleading and the reports were by hired analysts and whatnot and eventually MS had to pull the data. So, Apple's not the only one who slants advertising to sell a product (not that that's uncommon practice in general, anyway). But I think this isn't that big of a deal. It's funny, it's tongue-in-cheek, it's advertising (not "lying"), MS has done the same type thing in the past, let's all relax and move on. And I'll stop there. Pointless turning the debate section into Mac OS X vs Vista. Technology section is taking care of that quite nicely.
Now, on to Vista..
A couple of days ago, I received an invite from Microsoft in my email to go to a Vista launch party but I had to go out of town. Turns out there was another party where I was going so I went. It was pretty well organized and I managed to win a copy of Vista Ultimate + Office 2007, so I can't really complain. ;p (Everyone also got a flash drive and some guy won a laptop. My flash drive broke a day later though. =/) So I'll write what I think about Vista thus far.
The new OS is a huge overhaul of XP. The UI looks very elegant and professional, despite the system requirements. There are many new features in it that I've found useful on this OS even though I use them on OS X on a daily basis, but having the features natively on another OS is also very exciting. It's not about who stole from whom, but how the features are integrated to work with one another and ultimately deliver a great experience to the user. Being a Windows user, the interface wasn't too confusing. Some options had new locations, so I had to hunt for them a little. The Instant Search was also very nicely implemented although I kept bringing it out on accident when I typed something. A minor annoyance, but I guess its PEBKAC for the most part. :P Installing drivers was also pretty easy to do. I was expecting 'New Hardware found omg" dialog windows popping up everywhere but the system just ran an update and installed my peripherals in the background- a very nice touch as well. Media Center also worked well for the most part. It closed down on me the second time so I had to re-open it. Overall, media features were integrated nicely and it was easy enough to navigate through. The UAC (User Access Control) is VERY annoying though. Luckily, I found a way to turn it off before completely deleting Vista off my computer. (Just go to Control Panel > User Profiles > Your Profile > Disable User Access Control.) But I suppose that's all for secuirty although I can imagine an amateur user going crazy with all the window closing just to delete a file. Useful, yes; Convenient, not really. But the solution was easy enough to find, although disabling it would just render the new secuirty feature useless. I also had Office 2007 and it's still giving me issues. Before installing Office, I downloaded Live Messenger to chat while I installed Office. Office finished installing so I just closed the installation window. After that, any change I made to Messenger (ie- changing DP, opening/closing messeger or something) will bring up Windows Installer (msiexec.exe). o_O So, that's very annoying to go through every time I open messenger, so I might just get rid of Office for now- I already have it on Mac. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon. The new Start Menu gets kinda of annoying because I'm used to the expanding lists, but I'll keep it because it looks nice. DreamScene(s?) is also a new feature for Windows Vista Ultimate. It allows you to have a movie file (a looping mpeg or something) playing as your desktop background, like Quartz Extreme does on Macs. But it wasn't what I expected. Currently on my Mac desktop, I have this program called Soundstream that basically has floating particles which react to sound coming from a microphone. A little disappointing because it's pretty fun watching the animated desktop when playing music, or talking to yourself. :P (As a side note, I'd like to mention DreamScene only works with Windows Vista Ultimate. If you have Ultimate, just download the Ultimate Extras updates which installs this feature.) Voice commands are also pretty neat to use although there was difficulty getting some things done even after 20 minutes of voice training. (Kept getting, "What was that?" messages, so it got annoying- I turned it off.) Performance-wise, it barely touched the CPU and memory was pretty abundant, so browsing through it with all eye-candy enabled was pretty zippy. I wish I could've tried games, but that wasn't possible. The game I play, Silkroad Online, was unable to run on Vista which was pretty disappointing since I was thinking of deleting my XP partition and replace it with Vista. Since that's not happening I'll have to keep XP a while longer until support for the game is available.
Overall, Vista is a great step for Microsoft in order to make computers today more media-centric and user-friendly. I enjoyed using Vista, but not enough to make it my main OS. One of the main reasons people preferred XP over Windows 2000 was the compatibility with legacy software. Although Windows 2000 Pro offered this option, it was not really seen until Windows XP since it was available to everyone and not just businesses. Vista's support for *some* software is not yet available, so check to see if all your current XP software is supported before upgrading to Vista. The User Interface, although very nice looking and elegant, will be difficult for new users to adjust to. Some might find it frustrating to adjust to it because of the new layout of the options, but I suppose that'll vary from person to person. I'll give Vista a 7/10 for a vastly improved OS in both aesthetics and functionality, but in my opinion, uses too many resources for the mainstream to use on older machines. So it's a double-edged sword for Microsoft and consumers alike.
Well said
Just got my new laptop with VISTA and now I definetly think it was a good idea, it looks great it works great and the way computers are made now means that most NEW! Laptops/Desktops can run vista smoothly.
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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL
You'll notice microsoft also got ******* of when it did? Linux is better than both O/s's anyway (well possibly depending on the distro at least), its only flaw is its limited selection of device drivers "/ Just becuse microsoft has lied in the past doesnt make it ok for apple to do the same you know.
As much as im inclined to hate you for getting a free copy :p, it was a pretty good review, and its the UAC thats been putting me off updating, so far. Also im reluctant to switch, as most of the real innovation and added security comes with the 64 bit edition, which at the moment, next to nothing will actually work with, so im gonna wait till it becomes far more mainstream before making any moves "/ Also how did you manage to convince vista to install along side xp, without eating it? or has microsoft actualy learned to play nice with other O/S's with Vista?Quote:
Now, on to Vista..
A couple of days ago, I received an invite from Microsoft in my email to go to a Vista launch party but I had to go out of town. Turns out there was another party where I was going so I went. It was pretty well organized and I managed to win a copy of Vista Ultimate + Office 2007, so I can't really complain. ;p (Everyone also got a flash drive and some guy won a laptop. My flash drive broke a day later though. =/) So I'll write what I think about Vista thus far.
The new OS is a huge overhaul of XP. The UI looks very elegant and professional, despite the system requirements. There are many new features in it that I've found useful on this OS even though I use them on OS X on a daily basis, but having the features natively on another OS is also very exciting. It's not about who stole from whom, but how the features are integrated to work with one another and ultimately deliver a great experience to the user. Being a Windows user, the interface wasn't too confusing. Some options had new locations, so I had to hunt for them a little. The Instant Search was also very nicely implemented although I kept bringing it out on accident when I typed something. A minor annoyance, but I guess its PEBKAC for the most part. :P Installing drivers was also pretty easy to do. I was expecting 'New Hardware found omg" dialog windows popping up everywhere but the system just ran an update and installed my peripherals in the background- a very nice touch as well. Media Center also worked well for the most part. It closed down on me the second time so I had to re-open it. Overall, media features were integrated nicely and it was easy enough to navigate through. The UAC (User Access Control) is VERY annoying though. Luckily, I found a way to turn it off before completely deleting Vista off my computer. (Just go to Control Panel > User Profiles > Your Profile > Disable User Access Control.) But I suppose that's all for secuirty although I can imagine an amateur user going crazy with all the window closing just to delete a file. Useful, yes; Convenient, not really. But the solution was easy enough to find, although disabling it would just render the new secuirty feature useless. I also had Office 2007 and it's still giving me issues. Before installing Office, I downloaded Live Messenger to chat while I installed Office. Office finished installing so I just closed the installation window. After that, any change I made to Messenger (ie- changing DP, opening/closing messeger or something) will bring up Windows Installer (msiexec.exe). o_O So, that's very annoying to go through every time I open messenger, so I might just get rid of Office for now- I already have it on Mac. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon. The new Start Menu gets kinda of annoying because I'm used to the expanding lists, but I'll keep it because it looks nice. DreamScene(s?) is also a new feature for Windows Vista Ultimate. It allows you to have a movie file (a looping mpeg or something) playing as your desktop background, like Quartz Extreme does on Macs. But it wasn't what I expected. Currently on my Mac desktop, I have this program called Soundstream that basically has floating particles which react to sound coming from a microphone. A little disappointing because it's pretty fun watching the animated desktop when playing music, or talking to yourself. :P (As a side note, I'd like to mention DreamScene only works with Windows Vista Ultimate. If you have Ultimate, just download the Ultimate Extras updates which installs this feature.) Voice commands are also pretty neat to use although there was difficulty getting some things done even after 20 minutes of voice training. (Kept getting, "What was that?" messages, so it got annoying- I turned it off.) Performance-wise, it barely touched the CPU and memory was pretty abundant, so browsing through it with all eye-candy enabled was pretty zippy. I wish I could've tried games, but that wasn't possible. The game I play, Silkroad Online, was unable to run on Vista which was pretty disappointing since I was thinking of deleting my XP partition and replace it with Vista. Since that's not happening I'll have to keep XP a while longer until support for the game is available.
Overall, Vista is a great step for Microsoft in order to make computers today more media-centric and user-friendly. I enjoyed using Vista, but not enough to make it my main OS. One of the main reasons people preferred XP over Windows 2000 was the compatibility with legacy software. Although Windows 2000 Pro offered this option, it was not really seen until Windows XP since it was available to everyone and not just businesses. Vista's support for *some* software is not yet available, so check to see if all your current XP software is supported before upgrading to Vista. The User Interface, although very nice looking and elegant, will be difficult for new users to adjust to. Some might find it frustrating to adjust to it because of the new layout of the options, but I suppose that'll vary from person to person. I'll give Vista a 7/10 for a vastly improved OS in both aesthetics and functionality, but in my opinion, uses too many resources for the mainstream to use on older machines. So it's a double-edged sword for Microsoft and consumers alike.
Yes I do think it's a good step forward. :)