Opinion thread's.

Hmm, Well I was quite annoyed when I got -repped for my opinion, And I Just thought of a idea...

Maybe habboxf should make a collum called

'' Opinion's ''

Sections:

Habbo Opinion's
Habbox Opinion's
Real Life Opinion's
Goverment Opinion's
School Opinion's

But obiously habboxf could make up there own opinion threads, I think this would change the way people think of people on the forum concidering it will be in a Opinion section, well anyway thanks

(I can't spell Opinion if you think it is mis-spelt, mad grammar)

All threads are generally about opinions, that's what a Forum's about. And you can be -Repped for an opinion, according to some definitions of the reputation rules. Also, generally, people think they're much "harder" in cyberspace - which is why if you post anything at all controversial you run the risk of being "flamed". The most you can do when that happens is report it then ignore it.

So anyway, we don't really need additional Forums, IMO.

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Originally Posted by ReviewDude

All threads are generally about opinions, that's what a Forum's about. And you can be -Repped for an opinion, according to some definitions of the reputation rules. Also, generally, people think they're much "harder" in cyberspace - which is why if you post anything at all controversial you run the risk of being "flamed". The most you can do when that happens is report it then ignore it.

So anyway, we don't really need additional Forums, IMO.

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Thank's I diden't relise :)

I think the 'debates' forum pretty much covers most of the opinion part but only on specific topics of course.

As RD said, pretty much everything on a forum is an opinion; but I have realised, amongst others that you really do get flamed and -rep'd and sometimes infracted for posting your opinion on a certain topic but, I guess that's the way it is.

I posted a thread in here ages ago about letting opinions be voiced and people should respect other people's opinions - nothing was to become of this because there's pretty much nothing to do about it.

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Originally Posted by xE

I think the 'debates' forum pretty much covers most of the opinion part but only on specific topics of course.

As RD said, pretty much everything on a forum is an opinion; but I have realised, amongst others that you really do get flamed and -rep'd and sometimes infracted for posting your opinion on a certain topic but, I guess that's the way it is.

I posted a thread in here ages ago about letting opinions be voiced and people should respect other people's opinions - nothing was to become of this because there's pretty much nothing to do about it.

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If anyone flames you for your opinion you should report it using the report post button :).

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

If anyone flames you for your opinion you should report it using the report post button :).

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Which is of course; what the outcome was of the thread I posted.

The problem with this is; if someone flames you for your opinion then naturally you are going to defend yourself; this is what gets you into trouble and then you end up with an infraction.

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

If anyone flames you for your opinion you should report it using the report post button :).

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Which is a bit of a contradiction, as someone's opinion of "Your opinion is stupid and moronic" is just as valid an opinion as the one there flaming. So its a petty bias mechanism, and is simply saying that one persons opinion is allowed and another's is not.
To that effect, i hardly ever get flamed, regardless of what i post, or at least haven't noticed it if i do, which is possible as a really do enjoy arguing with people o.0

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

Which is a bit of a contradiction, as someone's opinion of "Your opinion is stupid and moronic" is just as valid an opinion as the one there flaming. So its a petty bias mechanism, and is simply saying that one persons opinion is allowed and another's is not.
To that effect, i hardly ever get flamed, regardless of what i post, or at least haven't noticed it if i do, which is possible as a really do enjoy arguing with people o.0

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Bad example;

That's disrespectful of the person's opinion by called it 'stupid and moronic'. So instead of being disrespectful you could argue your point and say 'I disagree' instead.

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Originally Posted by xE

Bad example;

That's disrespectful of the person's opinion by called it 'stupid and moronic'. So instead of being disrespectful you could argue your point and say 'I disagree' instead.

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but those statements are completely different? I disagree with someone who thinks coke tastes nicer than sprite. But i dont think its a stupid opinion, nore one that necessarily comes from a moron.
If someone claimed 3*3 = 6. Then i would think there opinion, and bad math, was stupid, and that they are in fact a moron, which would be my opinion, hence a valid one. Plus probably a widely accepted one, if someone was that stupid?

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Originally Posted by xE

Bad example;

That's disrespectful of the person's opinion by called it 'stupid and moronic'. So instead of being disrespectful you could argue your point and say 'I disagree' instead.

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What a stupid and moronic thing to say :p I jest, but anyway, it really is annoying that people still continue to flame opinions. Why would you come to a Forum to start an arguement, I've never really got it... Thing is, I'm all up for a debate, maybe even an arguement, but sinking so low as to flame is a bit sad...

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Originally Posted by ReviewDude

What a stupid and moronic thing to say :p I jest, but anyway, it really is annoying that people still continue to flame opinions. Why would you come to a Forum to start an arguement, I've never really got it... Thing is, I'm all up for a debate, maybe even an arguement, but sinking so low as to flame is a bit sad...

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Arguements do lead to people flaming each other, almost always.

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Originally Posted by xE

Arguements do lead to people flaming each other, almost always.

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And that's, as a general rule, when Moderators have to step in to close a thread. But if you get two or more people with conflicting opinions, they each have an equal right to post what they think - and we uphold that right.

We can't, no, stop Internet flaming, but we can make sure people know it's very much unwelcome at HabboxForum. The easy way to do that is to report every post that breaches that rule. Or any rule for that matter :p

The first person who starts to 'flame' should be penalised and not the person defending his/her point of view.

most forums dont bother trying to change human nature, and just tell people to settle it over the PM system as the rest of the forum members dont want to hear it? Personaly trying to stop it all together, is in my opinion quite a stupid and pointless thing to do, be it that its entirely impossible.
Plus arguments dont lead to flaiming, stupid people in arguments lead to flaiming. Its basicly a last ditch effort to try and pretend that there agrument hasnt been completly shreaded and discredited since it was so poorly constructed to start with o.0

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The first person who starts to 'flame' should be penalised and not the person defending his/her point of view.

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That sounds fair, but imagine if that happened in real life. Sure it would be okay if...

Man A: *Throws bottle at Man B*
Man B: *Swears at Man A*

Then sure, it's obvious that Man A is in the wrong and would be arrested. But what if it went:

Man A: *Swears at Man B*
Man B: *Throws bottle at Man A*

Which is what happens on Forums. As a general rule, the arguement gets worse, and by your system only the one who posted the first, often only very slightly incediary remark - would be penalised, which isn't fair.

If someone flames you, other people will see how sad that is, you don't need to defend yourself, and if you do, don't lower yourself to their level and don't flame them back!

That's 2 seperate situations that would have 2 seperate outcomes - you know that.

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That's 2 seperate situations that would have 2 seperate outcomes - you know that.

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True, but I'm saying if in a flame war we only punished the first person who did anything, that could be something miniscule.

For instance if someone tacks on the end of their original post on, say a football opinion "and btw I only say that because City own United" then not only are they sad for saying that (because City are rubbish) they are also lightly flaming anyone who is a Man United fan... It's hard to explain, but basically anyone who defends themself is fine:

User A: You're an idiot for thinking that.
User B: I am not! It's a perfectly valid opinion.

User A gets penalised, User B gets nothing.

If, however, User B goes beyond defending himself...

User A: You're an idiot for thinking that.
User B: I am not! It's a perfectly valid opinion, you moronic cow.

BOTH User A and B get penalised, with good reason.

You see, it's about principals, no matter who starts a fight, anyone involved in making it worse has to have it added to their record.

Provocative behaviour should be penalised and the resulting posts after should just be edited and the user PM'd to tell them it's unacceptable.

Nothing more.

The problem with doing that is that if they do it again, they get another PM, again, another PM - and Moderators can't see what they've done previous, or the fact they've ignored a warning. That's the reason we give Infractions/Warnings, they allow us to look back and see what a user has done in the past, to influence how we deal with them :)

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Originally Posted by ReviewDude

The problem with doing that is that if they do it again, they get another PM, again, another PM - and Moderators can't see what they've done previous, or the fact they've ignored a warning. That's the reason we give Infractions/Warnings, they allow us to look back and see what a user has done in the past, to influence how we deal with them :)

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User notes <3

Same as a warning, in effect, but allows you to be more aware of what you get. Wouldn't you rather know what you have? Also, warnings are easier to use. They add no points, and one click to the profile (or even in the postbit) it's obvious to see what's going on with them...

Usernotes are like warnings/infractions, but they kept users in the dark, as well as being less practical to use.

People think of warnings like infractions;

User notes of PM's - not warnings, simply reminders.

A warning sends a PM automatically, it's just like User Notes, but faster and easier to use. If people see warnings as Infractions, that's their fault for not reading the FAQ, and also a PM and a User Note would be there as a log for future offences to be judged on. They're very much the same thing :)