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It seems the UK Rares Market is slumping at the moment when it should be strong and rising.
I think this is because of the UK Hotels declining visitor numbers so there are more things avalible to 6,000 people rather than 13,000 people.
Anyone else agree?
Hammocks and Holiday Romances are struggling to sell for 3 CS each and Aloe Vera's have dropped along with most other summer rares.
Yes. Everything is extremely hard to sell, especially at the prices habbox are posting. I think the RVR's are over inflating everything by way too much, which is causing people to buy everything, and then when they struggle to sell they rapidly lower prices.
Yeah I agree and also Nelly's are doing very badly, they should be around 12 CS at the moment but they are struggling to sell for 6 CS sometimes.
Even Credits and HC Sofas seem to be losing popularity!
yh i agree i find nellys and silver birdbaths extremely hard to sell:(Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
It was really hot last May, so everyone was in the summery mood, so i guess thats why this time last year they was shooting up. No one wants summer furni much atm i guess it could rise in a few months but idk. From what i have seen Gold bars seem to be selling well at 5HC quite well at the moment! (Trade City, i have noticed that).
IMO I think everyone is getting that bit smarter. Many more people look for pure hcs, and I think we're lucky to of gotten into mostly thrones before hcs.
This is something I've noticed in the Super Rare trading market as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
This week alone, Supers that I expected to peak extremely soon have been dropping like flys. By now, I personally expected the Red/Blue Bird Baths to have hit 4 Throne - They're still at around 3T 2hc each.
The Yellow Amber has dropped, even though that's a key summer item. I've picked up 6 this week for just 3T each.
It's already made me reconsider my plans for investing for summer time furniture. I was originally going to buy 80 yellow ambers - That's just abruptly changed.
What you say about Supply and Demand is starting to make sence, as well. Back when super rares were worth 30T each, there were upto 15,000 people online. Now, 7,500 is around the peak. Hugely less users, exact same (slightly more due to release) amount of supers, huge price decrease.
Personally, I feel the only safe investment is the petal patch.
Yah i agree too. Last year habbo was peaking at around 12,000 a day at one point. habbo struggle to get 7000 people now. And when it does get to around 7000 people the hotel is starting to lag, LOADs. Like dan said.
13,000 trading furni has gone down to 6-7000 people so their is loads more for people to trade.
Anything at the moment is hard to sell to people in trade rooms or shops unless you offer millions of hc profit.
norms (like yukkas pineapples etc) at the moment are the easist to sell to anyone
and after joining late last year i have seen at the most about 7,000 online.
Tbh I think full on trading is dying really, I can't think of one item that is rising really strong..
I can't believe that a throne is worth 32CS or whatver. I remember the time when you could get one for 14CS.
I think it would be a good idea to remove the Habbox Rare Values page for a few weeks. See how trade reacts.
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Originally Posted by [ALEX]
last time that happend (when habbox was hacked) most people just stopped trading.
True that. What suprized me was that even the super rare traders stopped, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by theman0001
I wonder what would happen if the trade broke.
Habbo would be habbo again.. and not just about the furniture.
I actually want that to happen, All people care about on habbo is furni, furni, furni... Not fun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuar
well re-releasing old rares kinda puts off the richers habbos who have lots of petals and stuff. So they go. And the recolurs are just crap really. What was the last good rare habbo put out. That was just a new rare, not a recolour, seaonal, re-release. They seem to just run out of ideas now. Its stupid. i mean foreign hotels get a lot more interesting furni. By the time was get it, everyone will have left.
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Originally Posted by theman0001
agreed most shops stopped trade rooms were lost. the people who carried on trading were doing it for what they thought.
like a hc for things no one would even consider with values.
I don't think it's the recolours that are affecting the market, at the start of the recolour era we had 10,000+ people on our UK Hotel and as we saw from things like Red Pillows and Black Smokes many were bought and then slided down to 0.2 - 0.5 because there were so many of them, then about 1 week later there was a craze on them and they would rise - We don't see this any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesy155
Black Monoliths and Red Dragons are a good example as they would be higher if our hotel was bigger, Blac Monolith: 4.5 CS and Red Dragon: 3 CS but since we're losing visitors they seem to be struggling, Black Monoliths are slowly creeping down and down and Red Dragons have hit 1.5
What currently happens with new rares that come out is that how ever many are bought they seem to stick and 1 CS and don't move at all, new rares have become unteresting in their value pattens.
And good point about the supers, they seem to be dropping a A LOT, I predicted Birdbaths would hit 2T this year but now that seems very likely.
RVRs do their best to provide accurate prices, so don't start on it. One of the problems is that when Ymo was manager the rare values page was updated rarely, but now we have new management it should run more smoothly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich.Boy
I've also found that getting pure HCs for unpure is next to impossible these days. This is probably the main reason; because people want pures so much for betting and dealing etc the price of unpures has fallen as desperate people are trying to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2hd.
I dont think the super rares are falling for the same reason. A good reason I can think of is because the rich people are getting richer, which is removing a lot of spending power from the economy. People just dont have the furni to buy supers these days, and can only offer small amounts or unpure for supers. Super rare traders dont like this and hang on to the supers, making the super rare trading market stand still or decline further as when they do want to sell, their prices are too high and they have to lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkaa
The rising price of the throne is another problem. It doesn't necassarily (sp?) mean the price is falling, but as the price of supers has to be reajusted to match the price of the throne it can seem that way.
The throne would be around 45HC if certain events hadn't lowered the price dramatically (it being released accidentally and the "orb of doom" vote being 2)Quote:
Originally Posted by [ALEX]
Above quote answers the second point to the one above that.Quote:
Originally Posted by theman0001
If you go in trading rooms yes, that is what they care about. A sizable portion of the habbo community also goes in non-trading rooms: mafias, chill rooms etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweets
Also, playing habbo without any furniture isn't really worth it unless you have a room you go to all the time. You cant make your own rooms, which is where half the fun is.
Why are recolours bad? It just means your favourite type of furniture has a better chance of fitting in with a room you want to make. Re-realeasing old rares will always be a good profit maker by sulake because people want things for cheap, therefore they will buy the rare, meaning there are more of them, meaning the price will reduce and stay there for a while as there is high demand. This will probably keep happening for a while to come, if not forever.Quote:
well re-releasing old rares kinda puts off the richers habbos who have lots of petals and stuff. So they go. And the recolurs are just crap really. What was the last good rare habbo put out. That was just a new rare, not a recolour, seaonal, re-release. They seem to just run out of ideas now. Its stupid. i mean foreign hotels get a lot more interesting furni. By the time was get it, everyone will have left.
New rares that have been released in the last year: Sleeping bag, road barrier, traffic light, lazer gate, solariums, moon rug, snow rug, sand patch, shrubbery stuff, gothic range, asian range, new HC furni, inflatable chair.
Add that to: Ecotron, habbo exchange, recoloured mode and iced and new iced furniture, I dont think we've had a bad run of new furnis
its kinda odd tht we are all talking about the callapse of the habbo "economy" when reall all it is a virtual furniture on a computer screen deep in cyberspace...
If you think the game is that pathetic, don't play it. The fact is that all games that have trading have some sort of economy. Would you trade your throne for a green fan? Would you ask for a typo instead of a gold trophy for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesy155
Thats economy.
Rares such as Majestics are even falling which I didn't expect them to a month or two ago, they don't fetch 3 CS
Also New HC Furni has dropped so much because there isn't that much demand for them because there are less people, it was clear they were going to drop but i'm suprised at the rate the HC Furni is dropping.
Eid Posters also don't seem to be doing the usual 3 CS - 8 CS pattern anymore.
I think the market it heading for a collapse in both Normals and Supers very soon, it may be slow but it could happen very quickly also.
It's already starting to fall, only thing that cna stop it is more users and that doesn't look likely for the UK Hotel at the moment.
The market is already collapsing for the Super Rares. It's no longer possible to buy a super and expect it to go up, to make a profit from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
What does it do? Drop.
In all honesty, I'm considering scrapping it all and just having 300 pure thrones. At least that way I know I'm not losing "wealth" while I bloody sleep.
Agreed, it seems once a super drops it doesn't pick up again, it just drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkaa
Thrones are probably the best at the moment, BUT if people want to take a gamble they COULD buy all old rares and cheap supers now and just hope that UK numbers pick up and they'll make a lot - But it seems unlikely.
I think the best Habbo Markets to invest in at the moment are Canada, USA and SG purely for their growing popularity.
i wasnt saying it was a bad thing. Just noticing it was odd... relax mate. I dont have a throne anyway XD. I dont think habbo is pathetic and pointless. i was mearly noticing how everyone is getting worried over it.
Edit: anyway. If the habbo market did collapse i think there would be a lot of rich habbos when it picks up again, well IF it every picks up. I think the habbo uk staff will have do something soon about the falling numbers. I mean i remember ages ago when every other ay there was a hotel alert "X amount of habbos online, a new habbo uk record"
I think it's time to wake up that it's Habbox that's the problem. If people stop trading because habbox is down, then please stop saying it's a guide, because it's not. How on earth the price of the throne is going up, when less people visit habbo is beyond me.
Habbo and it's rares are a joke. A throne is worth FAR too much in real cash for how many there are in circulation. I knew the bubble willl burst and this is it. The Orb Of Doom incident was a warning that it would get out of control. Just pull the plug on these stupid rare values for 2 weeks.
I'm just wondering.. when you guys are talking about say, making a profit, well, what does that mean?
What I'm trying to say is there isn't a currency in habbo.. someone might say the HC sofa is one but there are more of them coming into the hotel all the time and they are not a real currency
We did and we know the results. Habbox went down when it was hacked and the whole of the trading section just stood still. No-one wanted to trade anything because they didnt know what it was worth; they didnt have a GUIDE to guide them.Quote:
Originally Posted by [ALEX]
Even if habbox took theirs down, HHGS would continue to provide theirs and Im sure many smaller fansites do too. There will always be a rare values guide, if there wasnt there would be no economy.
You just admitted that the whole economy is based on these guides, which aren't used as guides, they are used as what they are 'worth' to most habbos, which in turn are sold for 'profit' which is then recorded by reporters and up the price, and people therefore sell for 'profit' again. Tbh, you should scrap the whole HC/CS system, because it just results in inflation as more club sofas come into circulation. You should base it on credits, as they have an exchange rate to real cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
Personally i think the number of visitors has gone down due to the fact of the release of the new hotels (USA, Canada ect). USA & Canadian people dont have to go on at stupid times on the UK version to go on a t peak time, they will just go on there own hotel at peak time if you get me. Basicly peak tim on habbo is around 7-9pm GMT. his means that people in the US would have to go on up to as late as 8am in the morning, which is near enough impossible due to school and stuff.
The economy IS based on the guides in the same way that the guides are based on the economy. The guides report on what people are prepared for an item, the people check the guide to check theyre not being ripped off then trade for what theyre prepared to trade for. Reporters report this, the cycle continues. The guides alone arent responsible for prices, but they help people with less knowledge of the economy get a fair price.Quote:
Originally Posted by [ALEX]
We will not scrap the HC/CS system any time soom because changing a well established system doesnt work. We learnt that when we thought of putting the throne, holoboy and samovar in the super rares section. We really don't want another one of those, and as this system seems to work well I dont see any reason to change it.
EDIT: I agree totally with the post above.
To be honest there are too many rares on the hotel them and rares arent really rare any more and same with supers u see supers in most rooms now this could have something to do with it aswell every week theres something released
Nellys now go for 5 CS each and Orange Parasols are collapsing along with basically everything else.
I wonder if we'll see another summer like summer 2006 in the rares market? :(
may i ask what happened summer 2006?
We saw all rares hit there highest ever prices, it lasted all summer :)
White Birdbath: 17 CS
Green Birdbath: 15 CS
Nellys: 13 CS
Hammocks and Holiday Romances: 4.5 - 5 CS
Petals: 5.2 CS
Many more that had risen during that summer aswell.
I'll definetly be selling for thrones, from reading this thread. I remember when rare furni were rare, and you might only see one in say, every 5-10 rooms. Now, at a quick count, there's over 300 different pieces?
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Originally Posted by Flabbyman
Ahhhhh i see, thanks for that :)
if habbox values dissapeared
another immitation would pop up
all sites vying for rare value stardom..
I think you should post how many credits normal rares are worth as well as HC/CSs. That way, you'll set the credits at a fixed rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
I think Habbo could fix this problem. Simple, release the current recolour's as normal furni. = more people buying. Then, when they release rares say, 4 times a year = more demand = more people buying.